No, it's unacceptable. When people are not at work, they should be thinking about work, planning for it, and hell, still doing it, only unpaid.

I say we shouldn't even have a distinction between work and home. We should set up dorms so that people don't have to leave the premises. Rent can just be taken out of their pay, talk about convenience! In fact, do they really need to get paid, when the company can provide all their needs? Isn't getting to do the work reward enough?

Be it family, hobbies, religion, other topics of interest, the scope of things to do in life is near-infinite.

You could spend your evening honing your skills for a while, yes, but even then at some point you might feel tired of just spending all your time on computer-related stuff.

Then you log on HN, like you did for the last decade or so, and see another "Ask HN: I don't feel passionate about coding anymore" post. It's okay buddy, passion will come back, or might not in a way that makes it okay, you just need a breather.

Sorry, went on a bit of a tangent, cause I do agree with you in fact. I do expect my colleagues to meet a baseline of competency, one that usually only met by "doing your homework", and at the same time, I don't think it's reasonable to expect them to do it out of habit.

Yes, if you work on time youre not paid, youre a goofball.

Yes, it is acceptable. Nobody is entitled to expect a coworker to work outside of payed hours. If you think you are entitled to that, I believe you should move to China or North Korea.

Are you a founder, perhaps? Or just a toxic individual?

> Is this acceptable? Should we not expect more from our co-workers?

You know there's life outside work, right?

No we should not. If people want to do it that’s great but I’d rather watch football after hours with coworkers than work for free

We should do both. Sometimes learn and read, often spend time with friends, family and hobby. It’s also fine to learn during the job. I find it sometimes refreshing to do fun side projects but for me it’s important for them not to be tight to a deadline, team discussion, quality expectations of others etc - everything which is expected at work. It’s an investment in myself that I sell to my employer with regularly increasing salary.

Is it acceptable? Yes

Should we expect more? No.

If you are lucky enough to work a job you love, work as long as you want - but no one is obligated to do more than they are contracted for.

Personally, I'm increasingly a big fan of "fuck you, pay me."

Of course it's acceptable. Expect more? Pay more.

Acceptable? By who? Who needs to accept it?