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> "Simpler" is maybe a bit of a stretch

It’s not. The full rendering might not be simpler, but the model is simpler.

The mesh is simpler.

Eh, the low-poly mesh is simpler, the high fidelity mesh to bake out the normal texture is actually more complex then ever.

sorry for nitpicking but that's actually a misconception - the GPU doesn't generate intermediate vertices as a result of normal maps! all of that happens in the fragment shader, which only changes how light behaves at the fragments being rendered. Look close and you'll see distortion.

a vertex shader could change the geometry or emit intermediate vertices from a displacement map, but my understanding is that that also happens via fragment shader tricks!

perhaps you mean the artist's highly detailed mesh used to bake normal maps but those aren't typically shipped out to the user's game engine to save space, it's just an artifact of the artist's production process

They literally said "bake" so yeah, they mean the original mesh.

Could you do it by lighting a clay model with some colored lights?

As the sibling comment points out, gp is clearly talking about the source mesh from which the normal map is generated. But that there is never a higher-detail intermediate mesh during rendering is also wrong since the engine could use tesselation or geometry shaders to do just that. Doing it all in the fragment shaders means you either need to limit yourself to small displacements, have visibly wrong rendering at oblique viewing angles or add a lot of complexity to the fragment shader to simulate self-occlusion via raymarching and still end up with visibly wrong rendering in some cases.

I would guess the textures for this model have been directly created from a CSG description, no need for a higher fidelity mesh.

The CSG approaches are somewhat more rare. The tools for working with meshes are just so much better. When I’ve seen people use CSG these days, it’s often used as a tool to create a mesh.

Seems unlikely. Neither look like more than a few dozen vertices. The version with the normal map is likely going to be significantly larger in GPU resources due to the texture storage.

That said... how is this news, exactly? Bump/normal mapping was a novel, new fangled technique back in the late 1990's... In its original form, it actually predates programmable GPUs.

The Switch is only Nintendo's second console with programmable shaders, so…

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