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It's true that Ukrainians winning for almost a year they should be at the gates of Moscow now, no? That's what I would think if newspapers in my country (France) were to be believed.

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They aren't trying to invade Russia. They are trying to defend their sovereign country against Russian aggression. Russia is showing the world how incompetent their military is at the same time Ukraine is successfully defending their homeland. Putin is a pathetic joke. He can't even keep the mercenaries from disparaging his weak military.

Ukraine will never be "at the gates of Moscow" because they aren't trying to invade Russia.

Crimea is, for all intents and purposes, Russia, and Ukraine has never ceased promising an invasion to bring it "back home".

Basically the whole world disagrees and considers Crimea to be Ukrainian. Including China, for example.

It's not their business - Crimea is Russian domestic affair now and the opinion of the whole world is irrelevant. Much like the opinion of the whole world of what happens in Guantanamo or Xinjiang is safely ignored. Except that people are not in any death camps in Crimea but actual resort camps such as Artek.

Crimea and Donbas had been a domestic affair of Ukraine before 2014, but Russia ignored that out of position of power.

This issue will be in the end again decided by power.

That's why Russia has to secure and hold on to all those additional lands to avoid war coming to its core turf.

That's been their excuse for most of their past invasions. Russia did not feel secure enough with East Germany, I guess it won't end until Portugal is secured.

Anyway, I think the chance that Ukraine would continue beyond their internationally recognized borders is close to zero.

That's Europe for you, everybody invading everybody else all the time.

I'm not even sure what is their chance of regaining anything at all.

European countries stopped invading each other after WW2 (most of the exceptions committed by SU/Russia).

Who knows how this will end up, it's still very open. In WW1, Russia collapsed after about 3 years of war, in Afghanistan it took them about 10 years to retreat (and subsequently collapse).

What about WW2 kind of ending?

Russia occupying Berlin is pretty much impossible.

Russia occupying Kyiv is possible, but rather unlikely. I think it's less likely than a Russian collapse.

if you somehow disagree and point out the other narrative, you are a putin Chill.. Pathetic how the orange website is not safe from trolls.

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