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I don't know what you're talking about, and I don't care about the premise of your question, so there's not much for us to productively discuss here. I've been careful about the concepts I'm talking about ("culture" and "religion", both being Rayiner-provided examples of legitimate forms of discrimination). I'm not interested in doing comparative studies on this between different countries; that discussion will be a total mess.

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> I don't know what you're talking about

Sure, I'll try to be clearer. You wrote "I'm making a simple positive argument about the clearly stated goal of the founders."

Which goal, and where was it stated?

Again, I don't think you and I are having the same conversation Rayiner and I are, and I don't think it's worth the effort for us to sync up at this point.

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