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After seeing Musk’s “damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead” approach to self-driving (and management at Tesla), Musk is the last person I want involved in a human trial.

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Did you see this first hand or was it or just reading about it in the media??

It's pretty obvious that Waymo has done a million miles completely driverless with no major accidents, while Tesla has shipped a buggy and frequently updated piece of software to thousands of "beta testers" who demonstrate that it's unsafe on YouTube constantly.

Since when are frequent software updates a bad thing? At what point did any beta software worked perfectly?

Keeping to a consistent update schedule would be an advantage.

I think the main issue is that Tesla is seen to be 'fire fighting', rather than working according to a predetermined plan.

This is troubling.. This was the point made above. I don't feel too comfortable with someone playing "POC" on my brain.

In an almost completely controlled environment in a single city. Not to mention Uber has literally ran over and killed someone while driverless but let’s keep beating up Tesla.

It's not because Uber is worse that we have to accept Tesla's way of doing things. They have been lying to their customers about having full self driving available for years and now just admitted that some of their videos promoting it were actually entirely faked. Both can be wrong.

FSD is not available to the general public. It’s beta, can be used by customers who select to do so.

That counts as "available to the general public" by any reasonable measure; either as a one-off purchase or a monthly subscription.

And really, "FSD" is too specific, even the lane keeping autopilot the car comes with by default has the same problems. I love my model 3 but let's call the spade a spade: advertising the car as having "full self driving" at this point in time is nothing short of fraudulent.

I guess my concern with this is the FSD, while not technically available to the general public, is still going to effect the general public given that if it's a buggy beta test it'll be buggy on public roads.

A buggy beta does not equal a buggy release. Generally speaking bugs are fixed prior to release.

But it's in beta right now for specific cars who use it to drive around on the public roads?

So are tons of legally driving humans who are incompetent, drunk, etc.

Drunk is not legally driving.

That’s the point. Running trials in a controlled environment is responsible and exactly how something as dangerous as self driving cars should be tried.

Yeah Uber was acting irresponsibly and almost killed someone. Waymo is acting responsibly and is making progress without putting people in danger. Do you think Tesla is more like Waymo or Uber?

Uber had the decency (or foresight, shame, acceptance of reality) to give up on autonomous driving not too long after that.

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