Friends had a similar experience with Toyota - it was impossible to get the exact model and config they wanted (plugin Hybrid) so they settled for a similar model , put a deposit down, and still had to wait 6+ months for delivery.
Friends had a similar experience with Toyota - it was impossible to get the exact model and config they wanted (plugin Hybrid) so they settled for a similar model , put a deposit down, and still had to wait 6+ months for delivery.
With a traditional dealer you are dealing essentially with middlemen who inventory vehicles or get order allocations from the manufacturer. Traditional dealers mostly make money on financing/parts/services/etc. If the dealer has no inventory/allocations then they don't really care about you. So they don't want you wasting their time if you are going to go order the car somewhere else. And realistically, you shouldn't care about them.. you have 1000 other places to go buy a Ford.
In the direct sales model, every person in that store works for the manufacturer as well. They are poisoning customers on the brand in its totality rather than just Joe Shmo Ford dealer in town. The stores are all portals to the same national inventory / order queue.
To go from "GFYS" in July to "Please buy our cars" in November/December is inept.
Pre configured cars are either exposition cars, cars registered for a day to move OEM inventory, or dealer inventory, not sold like above. Or they are 6-12 months old and coming from various short term leasing and rental services. This approach makes planning for OEMs a lot easier as well. Oh, and you always pay whatever the ticlet price is,inus negotiated disclunts. Nothing like list price plus, just because the dealer feels like it.
But custom ordering for many cheaper mainstream brands has become kind of pointless. The manufacturers no longer allow picking and choosing individual options and instead roll everything into a couple of large option packages. So, if you want the good sound system then you have to pay for the sunroof as well even if you don't want it.
Many US consumers expect to buy a vehicle off the lot and drive it away that day. Part of that is cultural. But many customers come in to buy because their old car was just wrecked or broken down, so they can't afford to wait months for a replacement.
That has not been my experience at all. I frequently order my new cars when I'm buying a domestic brand. I pay invoice or less. (I did not buy a car during the pandemic mess). The dealer has a guaranteed sale with minimal overhead. I haven't yet had one tell me to go away.
It is not consistent in the US. You can order a car from any of the domestic manufacturers (or European ones, AFAIK). You take what you can get from the Asian manufacturers, when it shows up.
Especially knowing their nearest service center was 100s of miles away, but "coming soon" near me.
Compare this to Hyundai/Kia, where every dealership was staffed by the stereotypical sleazy salesmen trying to charge me $10K over MSRP. They make great cars but lost control over their dealerships.
https://www.frontierford.com/all-inventory/index.htm?composi...
Jim Farley has been CEO since 2020 and hasn't done anything to improve dealerships.
Everybody talks like buying direct from the manufacturer will solve this. I feel like people aren't paying much attention to Tesla. Sure, there isn't a mark-up per se, but they just ratchet the price up as necessary to extract maximum profit. Same as the dealer. The big difference being that the dealer actually has competition for your business but Tesla is the only place you can go to buy a new Tesla.
Walked away and went down the street. Every other dealer was more than happy to go on test drives, even when they had low inventory.
Around the time Kia Stinger GT came out and the hypetrain was pumping at the max (2017-2018), I heard plenty of stories of people being refused Stinger test drives at the dealerships. Most of them had a common theme of the potential buter not "looking right". I.e., too young or not looking like what the dealership employees imagine someone who could afford Kia Stinger would look. Often it was outright refusal, other times it was some bs made up reason, even though it was obvious the cars were used for test drives and were available. Conveniently enough for the dealership, just not for those specific customers.
This is extremely ironic, because the more "premium" the car brand is, the better they treat you at the dealership, even if you clearly cannot afford it at the moment. Here is a personal anecdote.
I went to a BMW dealership once (the most "premium" brand dealership I've ever went to by that point in time), because I was thinking of upgrading my decade+ old Camry. I didn't have money at the time to buy, but that was fine, because I had honestly no idea what car I wanted in any terms other than i wanted it to be "good" and "no larger than a Camry, preferably closer to being Honda Civic-sized". So I scheduled a bunch of test drives at different dealerships to try out a bunch of different cars and see it for myself. Plus, even if I had the money to buy at that time, I knew that a major redesign was coming for BMWs I was looking for in the next few years, and I was going to wait until then regardless. I didn't want to waste anyone's time, so I honestly told all of that to the salesman working with me at the dealership. The experience I got was great, even with all of that info in mind. No aggresive sales tactics, no "we might have a financing option that could work for you" insistence after being told "no" once, suggesting other fun cars to try ("since you aren't planning to buy now anyway, wanna try this cool i8? I know a street about a mile away that is a long stretch with no cameras or cops, and it is usually empty, so we can test out the car there for real."), and in general just providing great service all around (any inventory questions and delivery times were discussed in the most plain and no bs terms). I don't even like BMW cars, but this experience made me strongly consider one in the future and understand why some people swear by brands like Mercedes/Audi/BMW/Porsche/etc., despite some of their cars being pretty questionable and (arguably) not the best bang for the buck.
Disclaimer: I've never owned and still don't own a car from any of the brands mentioned, and neither do I have any relationship with those companies outside of test driving a few of their cars.
The guy was like hey here's the car.. let me run a copy of your ID, here's the keys to the car, take it for a spin and come back in 30min let me know what you think. This was at the same time other EV makers couldn't be bothered to keep a demo car on lot, or if they did wouldn't let you drive/touch/etc. Even let me come back with my wife and take if for an hour out on the highway, etc to test in more conditions.
That describes Towne Ford in Redwood City, CA, including the $10K markup.
Source: https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/volume-is-for-van...
How is this GFYS?
The car you wanted was not on the lot, so you had to factory-order it. That meant a wait. And due to the pandemic-related parts issues, that meant a much longer wait than normal.
Would you have preferred they lie to you, tell you that the car you wanted was just about to arrive, and then string you along for months until it actually did arrive?
(I also ordered a Subaru last year in a high-population area. I had to reserve it in advance, and waited 4 months for it. It's a good thing I did, since that model and trim has been selling immediately as soon as it arrives on the lot: within 250 miles of me, the only available vehicles have been reservations on dealer-orders that were placed by buyers who also placed factory orders.)
Nitpick. You don't factory order a Subaru (or Toyota, or any other Japanese automaker for that matter). You can put your desired specs on a waitlist, however, for when one that matches comes out of the pipe. This is distinct from a domestic manufacturer like GM, where you absolutely can place an order for a car exactly matching your desires, and it will get allocated and produced with your name already on it, configured exactly as you want.
This is distinct from placing a reservation on an already-specced vehicle in the pipeline, which you can still modify with packages (but for which the engine, paint, and internal trim colors are locked). I placed a reservation on a dealer-ordered vehicle which just happened to already be specced the way I would have factory-ordered it.
Got a '22 Impreza Sport Hatchback with no hassle, would easily recommend this dealer again. Seems to be the case on the Impreza forum too, as most owners are buying factory orders from the dealers, with a few saying that the dealer only sells Imprezas thru custom orders.
As for other models, that may be different. My family had no issue with getting a Forester.