Is there? It's been all over this site, all over twitter, and all over AM radio around me. NPR has reported about it, as have other major media outlets. Yet I keep seeing people insist it's "not being talked about".
Like... It's just not true?
Right now, on r/news, 7 of the top 25 articles are about Ohio, plus an extra article about an entirely different small industrial accident somewhere else, with only two articles about the balloons, specifically China's bitching about them.
What coverage do you want to see that isn't happening?
Here's an issue that has very grave implications for us all and suddenly they're not interested in asking the right questions of the right people anymore. You don't find that remotely disappointing or curious?
If the 'wrong' people were in office they'd have the sainted mayor talking about how much they need the federal help they're not getting. Why haven't they even bothered asking FEMA for help by the way? Maybe a competent media would ask those questions.
News is original reporting and going to the primary sources of a given story. Commentary sources usually function as secondary or tertiary sources and typically lack the resources to hound government officials, wait outside their office, spend tons of time digging up FOIAs for issues that may or may not pan out, etc.
Figuring out whats happening with a hazardous derailment is not the job of a Tucker or Watters, thats the job of an inquisitive on the ground journalist. Which every news agency employs but very selectively uses.
Who even is "they"? And how do you know FEMA hasn't been asked for help by "them"?
https://twitter.com/fema/status/1625617600104259584?s=20
Why has FEMA not been contacted for assistance? What went into the decision to burn it off? What are the implications of that for local residents? How long are local residents going to live with this? What are we going to do to help the local ecology? What recourse is there for local residents who develop health issues from this? How long is this whole thing supposed to last in the water table? What are they gonna do to help prevent it?
I could go on. Genuinely asking, could you not think of one of those? Aren't you curious about the decisions being made?
>> We are monitoring the incident and remain in close contact with local officials who are handling the response on the ground.
Sounds good to me. Not every happening in the country needs a dedicated slush fund. If officials determine that this does, FEMA has already been in close contact with the people who they need to be in close contact with. You want to be the one who determines this? Run for office or apply for the job.
> What went into the decision to burn it off? What are the implications of that for local residents?
To prevent an explosion, as explained here: https://www.newsweek.com/did-control-burn-toxic-chemicals-ma...
This was very easy to find on Bing. Did you do any research at all or just expect the media to spoon feed you answers?
> How long are local residents going to live with this?
Not something that can be answered by anything but waiting and seeing.
> What are we going to do to help the local ecology? How long is this whole thing supposed to last in the water table?
I don't expect this to be something that is known right now. But I can bet that scientists the country over are investigating.
> What are they gonna do to help prevent it?
Literally the main question in the media. Assigning blame to some party/policy/whatever, in order to adopt a change.
Plenty more of Fox relaying EPA analysis and demanding action from government here: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ohio-republican-invites-but...
You may be satisfied by tweets when it comes to government accountability but the point is not that they should have it's an explanation why not.
> Did you do any research at all or just expect the media to spoon feed you answers?
The sourcing in the article you provided is not the govt. It's random people from tiktok and a random expert (who didn't make the claim you're asserting). It appears you're the one not doing the research. Try reading before condescending.
>Not something that can be answered by anything but waiting and seeing.
absolutely false.
The difference here is not one of opinion, it's how easily satisfied you are with the information that is already out there. FEMA tweets vaguely, a tiktoker explains hazmat science, and satisfies your every curiosity. I'm not so easily satiated for one of the largest eco disasters in recent memory at least.
Does not parse grammatically. Try again.
> The sourcing in the article you provided is not the govt
The only people you trust are the government? Odd. Very odd. But since you insist, here's the governor of Ohio saying the same: https://governor.ohio.gov/media/news-and-media/east-palestin...
> absolutely false.
Justify.
> I'm not so easily satiated for one of the largest eco disasters in recent memory at least.
If this were true I'd expect you to be the one to have found all the sources I've been linking to, answering the questions you've been asking. But instead I have. And I'm sick and tired of running around doing your research for you while you move the goalposts.
From now on: if you choose to respond, include a source.
Source what? Lmao you're the one making claims citing crap sources that you're not even reading telling me to do my own research. I'm not making claims, i'm asking questions.
The government would be the ones who were party to the decision. Are you even reading what you're replying to?
>Justify.
Not a new compound, long history of use near and on humans.
>And I'm sick and tired of running around doing your research for you while you move the goalposts.
Search queries and skimming headlines is not research.
Then find the answer yourself.
> claims citing crap sources
Hilarious. I cite experts, you say they don't count unless they're in the government. I cite the government, you call it a "crap source". Quit digging through HN replies and read an article.
> I'm not making claims, i'm asking questions.
> > Here's an issue that has very grave implications for us all and suddenly they're not interested in asking the right questions of the right people anymore.
That's a claim the questions you presented (What went into the decision to burn it off?) weren't asked. And I resoundly proved it false. But you've gone on to move the goalposts to kingdom come.
Do you even have an argument at this point?
I'm not qualified in the field of hazmat exposure. I do know there are experts in it, and it is extensively studied. The answer i'm looking for is bespoke to this particular situation. I don't have live stats on the PPM dilution of Vinyl Chloride or its byproducts in every area it has reached.
I didn't call your gov link a crap source. I was referring to the newsweak article you didn't read that cited a tiktok account as a source.
>That's a claim the questions you presented (What went into the decision to burn it off?) weren't asked. And I resoundly proved it false.
The gov article you linked is from 2/6, today the Governor came out and revealed info that demonstrates that article is a very limited perspective of what went into the decision to burn it off (such as consulting the DoD). There's still a lot more information that needs to be fleshed out pertaining to that question; it hasn't been fully answered. It may never be.
Are you arguing to argue? I'm not sure what your argument is . Our only difference this entire time is what amount of information satisfies us as i've already pointed out. You've said Jesse Watters and Tiktok accounts should be plenty satisfying, i'm saying this requires lots of questions and investigation it hasn't yet gotten.
Is the ecological damage and impact to residents not an ongoing event? Elected officials responses to the event/pressing them for one, informing people of proposed changes to make sure it doesn't happen again
Are they showing the panicked videos all over twitter and tiktok showing residents and their relatives stating MSM news is not telling the real story, that nobody seems to be taking care of them and that some have become quite ill?
This news is nowhere near as secret as people want to believe. I don't know why so many are convinced it is. Maybe some desire to feel part of a small "in the know" group?
These outlets are reporting on it, but given the reality on the ground, it's disingenuous or outright misleading at best. The fact people impacted are complaining of a lack of safety, help and awareness is extremely concerning.
It's not something to trivialise.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/ohio-train-de...
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/14/us/ohio-train-derailment-inve...
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6320468301112
I looked at the first two and neither had a hit for the word "acid". The first seemed to shift the issues onto a chance to rip into the GOP. Dig into the blame part after everyones safe, surely? The second had this:
"There has been no evidence of non-aquatic species suffering from the derailment, she said, and they haven’t had any concerns about that."
This is exactly opposite to many claims made by people actually there.
In all these articles seem to misrepresent/minimise versus reports on the ground, exactly as I stated.
I didn't have time to watch the Fox News videos, maybe they're different?
> When asked about anecdotal reports of people getting headaches and sore throats, and of animals, such as cats and chickens, dying near the train derailment, Ohio Health Director Dr. Bruce Vanderhoff said that air quality does not appear to be the source.
You can disagree with the officials if you like, that doesn't change the fact that the news reporters asked them about the issues you mentioned, and they gave an official response. This is what the news is for!
Here's ABC talking about the acid: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/toxins-ohio-train-derailment-p...
All in all this is a dumb discussion. The G**P claimed that no one was talking about this, I show that every major media outlet has this as front page news, then people just chime in to say that... the news the media reports doesn't exactly match their preconceived notions based on looking at TikTok? I say that's great! It'd be far, far, far worse if every news outlet and social media were presenting the same narrative.
Wrong. Journalism begins, not ends there.
> I show that every major media outlet has this as front page news
That'd be like saying they had cigarette harms as front page news by stating they're safe and everyone should smoke.
I disagree it's acceptable if news outlets downplay what's happening to real people, and instead claim everything's how stakeholder PR would prefer it be presented. Maybe one day you'll experience what that feels like. But I hope not.
I wouldn't wish it on anyone.