Can anyone speak to whether these electronically controlled pneumatic brakes would have prevented or lessened the severity of this derailment in Ohio?
If they didn't brake... then the brake technology had no effect. If they did brake, more sophisticated brake control systems could definitely stop it faster, and would reduce internal stresses that can could contribute to derailment.
My personal speculation is that the crew tried to gamble and get the train to a more convenient stopping location, either of their own volition or as directed by dispatch.
The overheating was detected, and ignored. The quote is, as I recall, "The next sensor will detect it if it's a problem."
Could the electric brakes have helped? Not sure in this specific case. In other cases? Probably. Air brakes are remarkably cool technology (how the valves work still boggles me from time to time) but they are still, in the end, civil war era technology that's probably due for an upgrade.
The workers were raising these and other complaints last year, and our national leaders told them to take a hike, preventing them from striking.
But, IMO, ignoring the hot-axle warning they did get was unconscionable (and as I understand it, it wasn't the engineers who ignored it, it was dispatch).
"The rise of precision scheduled railroading has resulted in resource and staffing cuts; to compensate railroad companies have enacted strict attendance policies for employees. These policies eliminate any free time which workers have, requiring them to be effectively on-call for weeks at a time. Workers have complained of increased levels of stress and fatigue."
"Unions representing about 17,000 workers threatened to strike over the points system, but BNSF Railway sued and won a restraining order to prevent the unions from striking. The Railway Labor Act grants Congress the authority to intervene in any railway or airline strike. Under this authority, the National Mediation Board has mediated negotiations between multiple freight railroads and unions starting in June 2021."
"Early on September 15, Biden announced a deal had been reached to prevent a strike, including an immediate 14% wage increase, but only one day of paid leave per year rather than the 15 days of paid sick leave unions wanted." "In late November, after some unions had rejected the agreement, Biden asked Congress to pass the agreement into law."
"Writing for Jacobin, Barry Eidlin, associate professor of sociology at McGill University, said the message sent to the rail workers by the president and Congress was "shut up and get back to work." The Biden administration's intervention in the dispute was condemned by over 500 labor historians in an open letter to Joe Biden and Secretary of Labor Marty Walsh."
My brother went to a recruiting drive last year for railroad engineer job openings (coincidentally along the Pittsburgh-Harrisburg corridor). He said they started the meeting by kicking out anyone who was even ten seconds late. The job description only got worse from there. I could see how the pay and benefits would be worth it for some small slice of the population... but you have zero outside life.
Perhaps fishing or working on a boat is similar, but many of those jobs allow for weeks or even months off at a time.
also the comment originally read "What does it have to do with the crash", which was immediately edited to "How do you know Biden forcing them back to work has anything to do with the crash?"
i will respond to the last one i saw: i don't. i'm pointing out that the wikipedia article about the 2022 union strike makes an argument that the strike was explicitly about safety. here's a vice article that goes into awful and terrifying details <https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkp9m8/what-choice-do-i-have...>. biden's forced solution did not address the original safety concerns beyond "1 day of sick leave".
(edit: 2 minutes after posting this i got downvoted. the level of political discourse…)
Yes Republicans are bad. But so are Dems, and their voters refusing to hold the party accountable for obvious failures. It's why the country is going to shift. R's pass bad policy, and D's cry about R's instead of governing
Republicans are against government regulations,you know "big government" and all that, so why would they do a better job?
"“Would ECP brakes have reduced the severity of this accident? Yes,” Steven Ditmeyer, a former senior official at the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA), told The Lever."
https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rule...
And the Biden administration, with control of both houses, couldn't put it back in place?
Republicans suck, yes. But Dems aren't any better and partisan bickering results in no one held accountable
"The sequence of events began a decade ago in the wake of a major uptick in derailments of trains carrying crude oil and hazardous chemicals, including a New Jersey train crash that leaked the same toxic chemical as in Ohio.
In response, the Obama administration in 2014 proposed improving safety regulations for trains carrying petroleum and other hazardous materials. However, after industry pressure, the final measure ended up narrowly focused on the transport of crude oil and exempting trains carrying many other combustible materials, including the chemical involved in this weekend’s disaster." [0]
Subsequently by the Trump Administration:
"The AAR lobbying group concurred that “the costs of the ECP rule substantially outweigh its benefits,” and claimed the mandate would cost them about $3 billion — or roughly 2 weeks of their operating revenue in a typical year. The FRA estimated the brake requirement would cost about half a billion.
Trump’s Transportation Department ultimately rescinded the brake rule in late 2017." [0]
According to federal investigators, there was a mechanical issue with a car's axle, which basically ends with a derailment. The ECP brakes may have lessened hazard by braking all the cars immediately, classifying the train as HHFT may have meant the train would be going slower than it was, I couldn't find any data about the speed the train was moving at.
This seems to be an area of bipartisan consensus, putting the interests of big business above those of the people.
[0] - https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rule...
So Obama added the regulations, Trump removed them and that's your conclusion?
I think an objective look shows multiple failures by 3 different governments to reign in the greed of railroad execs and protect the people in Ohio. What do you see?
You’re looking at this through blue colored glasses, go check out my comment history and re-evaluate that last comment.
Do you remember when democrats had just Manchin blocking legislation and everyone blamed them. However they ignored that every republican was also against it. That's basically what you're doing for this.
They are pretty consistent about this and enacted policies that align with that view when in power. Can’t fault them for that right, frog and the scorpion.
The Democratic leadership says the opposite. Government is good for people, regulations protect underprivileged people from exploitation of a monopoly transporting poison in the backyard, among other things.
When in power, they capitulated to the chemical lobbyists that wanted trains carrying these obviously flammable chemicals not classified as hazardous flammable. They could have put that rule in place, they wanted to, and they bent. They folded. I don’t understand, other than blind party loyalty or just a fear that any critical thought or speech about the democrats is akin to helping republicans, why you can’t see what I’m saying here.
I know I can’t bend republicans, but I can sure bend the people who already agree and are feckless in implementing their goals.
I do remember when Manchin was blocking legislation. It was quite literally his fault that we don’t have the child credit that lifted 50% of the kids in poverty in the country out of it, because he thought that giving money to underprivileged kids could result in the mothers using the money for drugs. It’s quite literally his fault.
Both US parties, as usual, support regulation that damages the other party's prospects or damages the competitors of their own donors.
Clinton was president in the 90s, prove he removed more regulations than Republicans, finally Republicans are the only ones who compalin about regulations
The senate is 50-50, there's never a wave. Time to try something else.
people in the areas where people would need to be swayed, are not.
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https://ballotpedia.org/Party_control_of_Ohio_state_governme...
Your take is gutless.