is dumping weapons into ukraine going to stop the war? is expanding the war going to stop the war?
what do you propose doing about russia invading ukraine, besides war?
what do you propose doing about russia invading ukraine, besides war?
Also, what is it? is russia 100% incompetent, or is it a fiendish foe? We have had to hear for a year now about how russia is so totally inept that ukranian farmers are victorious against them using nothing both farming tractors, but at the same time the west must send ungodly amounts of money and material their way, and there is no victory. Which one is it?
It seems the west is willing to fight to the last ukranian.
I just dont see how the west meddling here is gonna make any outcome better. So far nothing indicates I am wrong.
And it's Ukraine itself that wants their territories back, including Crimea and Donbass. Making it hard to negotiate. But also understandable, once you start giving in, you're giving Russia an incentive to do it all over again and capture now territory.
Not just Russia. If Russia succeeds, China is invading Taiwan next, and the whole global economy is grinding to a halt because like 80 % of world semiconductor industry is there.
Saving Ukraine means saving the world.
They'll sneak their way in just like they're rapidly expanding their influence in Africa, buying European ports and airports etc. Their tactics are completely different and our response must be as well. Of course long-term planning is the biggest weakness of democracies and the CCP's strength. So I doubt we'll be able to prevent it.
The way Xi screwed the pooch on Hong Kong, something Beijing was without controversy entitled to, looks more like an impatient dictator than the China of decades prior.
However his life is finite and I wonder if he wanted some legacy. Similar to the reason why Putin attacked Ukraine.
"The west" isn't fighting unless you mean "the west" = Ukraine and nothing else.
The west sending weapons reduces the amount of Ukrainians who are killed by Russians or under Russian occupation.
This is unambiguously a good thing.
Here: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-docum.... Russia already lost about half of its entire available land forces.
It's going to be a long war, though. It's effectively been running for a decade already.
Assuming China will attack Taiwan in the meantime, which I think is a lot more likely than not, it seems the world is looking at a lot of war indeed, perhaps even global. Even more senseless killing while issues like the climate and global poverty will lose the little relevance they have now. The future seems really sad.
The future seems sad yes, but this situation didn't appear out of nowhere. The dragon seed in Russia (and China) has been growing for decades.
but maybe they're actually not? if they're losing, this is how it'll be reported to you: they're winning -> they're winning -> they've nearly won -> *silence for years* -> ukraine is now part of russia, bringing the decades-long quagmire to an end.
Aside from arming Ukraine for a decisive victory what do you propose the rest of the world do?.
recall that i was responding to someone saying that anti-war folks are actually pro-genocide and anti-west. so, from the anti-war perspective, if what you want is peace, (which is what anti-war means), then "arming ukraine for a decisive victory" is what, exactly? it's giving ukraine weapons, or, to put it in other words: it's giving money to weapons manufacturers.
if you think giving money to weapons manufacturers will lead somehow to peace, then i don't know what to tell you.
you could shorten the war by aiding russia, but obviously no one wants that. that would genuinely encourage violence, like when the united states aids saudi arabia against the people of yemen.
since the rest of the world can't make choices on russia's behalf, the only thing to be done, from an anti-war perspective, is to mitigate the damage russia does to ukraine, and encourage, through non-violent means, a cessation of violence.
arming ukraine is the opposite of that.
what else could the united states do? (or whatever country, i'll just go with the united states for the sake of brevity.) the united states could invade ukraine too, to counter russia. would that end the russia-ukraine war? no, it would just start the america-russian war.
all i'm trying to convey is that anti-war people are, probably, for the most part, actually just that. conversely, if you're pro-ukraine, or anti-russia, or anti-ukraine, or pro-russia, you are, probably, for the most part, actually not anti-war. you have other priorities, which is your business, not mine. but i won't just be called pro-genocide by someone who's gotten themselves all worked up into a froth for war.
If you think that sitting back and doing nothing will somehow let Ukrainians have a better life then you do not know the realities of living under Russian rule.
I find it strange that this kind of appeasement and bowing to another power to let them do what they please is so popular now just like it was in WW2.
Appeasing the fascists didn’t work then and it work now, the thing that stops countries like Russia is military defeat.