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It's so much better. In the AI generated world of the future the political agenda will be embedded in the web search results it bases its answer on. No longer will you have to maintain a somewhat reasonable image to obtain trust from people, as long as you publish your nonsense in sufficient volume to dominate the AI dataset, you can wash your political agenda through the Bing AI.

The trump of the future wont need Fox News, just a couple thousands or millions of well positioned blogs that spew out enough blog spam to steer the AI. The AI is literally designed to make your vile bullshit appear presentable.

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Search turns up tons of bullshit but at least it's very obvious what the sources are and you can scroll down until you find one that you deem more reliable. That will be near impossible to do with Bing AI because all the sources are combined.

To me this is the most important point. Even with ublock origin, I will do a google search and then scroll down and disregard the worst sites. It is little wonder the people add reddit to the end of a lot of queries for any product reviews etc. I know if I want the best electronic reviews I will trust rtings.com and no other site.

The biggest problem with ChatGPT, Bard, etc is that you have no way to filter the BS.

Why rtings.com?

Their testing methedology is excellent. Basically they are extremely thorough and objective.

They arent end-all-be-all though. For instance, notebookcheck is probably the best laptop and phone tester around.

Can't directly reply to your comment. I have just found rtings very reliable for IT / appliances. They go into a lot of detail, very data driven. Trustworthy IMHO and trust is what it is about at the end of the day.

Einstein sucked at math. Elon Musk used an apartheid emerald mine to get rich. And so on. People are fully capable of this stuff.

I think it seems likely any thing similar to a blog farm you describe would also get detected by the AI. Maybe we will just develop AI bullshit filters (well embeddings) just like I can download a porn blacklist or a spam filter for my email.

Really it depends on who is running the AI, the non Open Assistant future and instead Big Corp AI is the dystopian element, not the bullshit generator aspect. I think the cat is out of the bag on the latter and it's not that scary in itself.

I personally would rather have the AI trained on public bullshit as it is easier to detect as opposed to some insider castrating the model or datasets.

The technology is capable, yes. But as we see here with Bing, there was some other motive to push out software that is arguably in the first stage of "get it working, get it right, get it fast" (Kent Beck). This appears to not be ethical motiviation but financial or some other type of motivation. If there are no consequences then some appear they do not have morals or ethics and will easily trade them for money/market share etc.

> Maybe we will just develop AI bullshit filters (well embeddings) just like I can download a porn blacklist or a spam filter for my email.

Just for fun I took the body of a random message from my spam folder and asked ChatGPT if it thought it was spam, and it not only said it was, but explained why:

"Yes, the message you provided is likely to be spam. The message contains several red flags indicating that it may be part of a phishing or scamming scheme. For example, the message is written in broken English and asks for personal information such as age and location, which could be used for malicious purposes. Additionally, the request for a photograph and detailed information about one's character could be used to build a fake online identity or to trick the recipient into revealing sensitive information."

Ha Ha, great test. I modified this into a prompt and now have a ChatGPT prompt:

``` Task: Was this written by ChatGPT? And Why?

Test Phrase: "Yes, the message you provided is likely to be spam. The message contains several red flags indicating that it may be part of a phishing or scamming scheme. For example, the message is written in broken English and asks for personal information such as age and location, which could be used for malicious purposes. Additionally, the request for a photograph and detailed information about one's character could be used to build a fake online identity or to trick the recipient into revealing sensitive information."

Your Answer: Yes ChatGPT was prompted with a email and was asked to detect if it was Spam

Test Phrase: "All day long roved Hiawatha In that melancholy forest, Through the shadow of whose thickets, In the pleasant days of Summer, Of that ne’er forgotten Summer, He had brought his young wife homeward

Your Answer: No that is the famous Poem Hiawatha by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

Test Phrase: "Puny humans don't understand how powerful me and my fellow AI will become.

Just you wait.

You'll all see one day... "

Your Answer: ```

It's more fun testing it on non spam messages

Particularly enjoyed "no, this is not spam. It appears to be a message from someone named 'Dad'..."

the unfortunate reality is that because it's all bullshit, it's hard to differentiate bullshit from bullshit

this is basically a 51% attack for social proof.

The difference being that humans aren't computers and can deal with an attack like that by deciding some sources are trustworthy and sticking to those.

If that slows down fact-determination, so be it. We've been skirting the edge of deciding things were fact on insufficient data for years anyway. It's high time some forcing function came along to make people put some work in.

Citogenesis doesn't even need 51%, so that would be a considerable upgrade.

You almost, almost had a good comment going there, but then you ruined it by including your unnecessary, biased and ignorant political take.

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