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> working with SQL is nicer than Pandas

Really? I prefer working with dataframe apis. You get a nice sql-like paradigm plus all the control structures of the runtime.

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Databases are just much, much faster than Pandas, and that's before you start factoring the extraction and loading of data. I treat Pandas as a last resort when I can't do something in SQL, generally this is something like integrating with external services or running recordlinkage.

If you're curious, I've written a FOSS record linkage library that executes everything as SQL. It supports multiple SQL backends including DuckDB and Spark for scale, and runs faster than most competitors because it's able to leverage the speed of these backends: https://github.com/moj-analytical-services/splink

Oh hot tip! Thank you! Love the blog btw

You might be interested in checking out Ibis (https://ibis-project.org/). It provides a dataframe-like API, abstracting over many common execution engines (duckdb, postgres, bigquery, spark, ...). Ibis wrapping duckdb has pretty much replaced pandas as my tool of choice for local data analysis. All the performance of duckdb with all the ergonomics of a dataframe API. (disclaimer: I contribute to Ibis for work).

Interesting ! One newbie question, how does ibis differ from sqlalchemy ?

sql alchemy is an orm, where ibis looks to be a dataframe api that is sort of a dsl over sql. It doesn't try to map relational domains to an object oriented paradigm like sql alchemy does

SQL is much nicer for anything non-trivial. Pandas methods get unwieldy for complex aggregations.

Also Pandas methods are imperative so cannot be optimized. SQL is declarative so it can be optimized to the hilt and DuckDB is faster than Pandas in almost all cases, even on Pandas data frames themselves! (partly due to vectorization).

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