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Comment by iillexial | Hacker News Reader

It doesn't look old, it looks overloaded and inconvenient. HN UI looks old, but it's the most convenient UI to use.

I think it's the UI an email client must have, no less, no more. I quote the post

> A UI that looks and feels modern is getting initially implemented with version 115 in July, aiming at offering a simple and clean interface for “new” users, as well as the implementation of more customizable options with a flexible and adaptable interface to allow “old” users to maintain that familiarity they love.

I don't understand why today's new users shouldn't be able to cope with an interface any old new user didn't have any problem using. However as long as they keep the promise not to take away the current convenient interface, they can do whatever they feel like to remove functionality for a dumb modern mode.

I will take overloaded any day of the week. I am sick of the trend of removing all widgets for some sense of a clean interface. I am on a desktop machine with a ginormous amount of pixels and real-estate. Show me all the buttons.

HN is really bad on touch devices. Call me young and naive, but I mostly read HN on the couch on my tablet.

I mostly read HN on my iPhone using the website with the zoom cranked up a little bit and I find it works better than the variety of native clients available.

I use HN half on my phone and half on my desktop. It's OK on both, I just have to zoom the upvote buttons sometimes before touching them.

It's better than the average news site but worse than if they just spent 10 minutes adding some mobile CSS. I constantly log out accidentally on mobile.

True. There is even a media query that can detect touch devices: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/poin...

So they could keep the good old HN alive for PCs.

HN is one of the best web sites for my phone. There are some improvements they could make but I would not call being among the top 5% best mobile websites being "really bad".

I use Hckrnews.com, which is convenient on my phone and allows me to filter posts in order to be focused with my time.

I'm still on TB68 because Enigmail was *broken after, and I think the UI is convenient except adding new accounts and managing SMTP servers.

*I send emails in plaintext, don't tell me about S/MIME.

Enigmail functionality is now built-in, it's quite nice!

When TB78 was introduced, the only supported S/MIME and did not allow inline encryption in plaintext. Has this changed now?

I use OpenGPG for signing and writing emails, they are plaintext encrypted. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/openpgp-thunderbird-how... https://www.linuxbabe.com/security/encrypt-emails-gpg-thunde...

I don't love light gray on white just because comment got some downvotes. Finding that you got answer to your comment is also PITA, especially if it is something older than "right now".

Old reddit + RES is entirely better in every regard. New reddit is utter garbage tho.

I mean, dark mode would be nice.

Themes won’t get you what you want?

How do I install one on mobile?

Well tbh I didn't realize that Thunderbird had an Android release. Looks to be about a year old? That's super new in the history of Thunderbird, and I don't know anything about how it works.

If there's no theming support, then yeah, at minimum a dark mode is a totally reasonable request.

edit: or were you talking about HN?

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