What do you want people to get out of those analyses? They quantify the incredible observations, but they don't explain how those observations could be possible, nor rule out other explanations.
I want people to understand that this phenomenon is real, and it’s happening constantly. So much to the point that it’s affecting military training operations and putting our fighter jet pilots at risk.
Fighter pilots at risk? If the military believed that they would already be fully engaged in solving the problem. In which case there is little for me or any other civilian to do.
And you say fighter pilots at risk but, and this will sound callous, an actual incident that caused a loss of aircraft would be more compelling. It does away with the may be at risk proposition. And, again, I suspect the military would be fully engaged in understanding the issue. Doubly so.
I guess I also believe that things leak. There isn't going to be a secret program that is so far advanced that it counters known physical laws.
It sounds as though you are certain that it is military in nature so no need to speculate as to whether it is extraterrestrial in nature.
Diving a little deeper, if the military suspected these aircraft were foreign adversary then this would be big news. But they don’t. They believe it’s something else entirely, which is why it’s not been public headlines until recently.
> There isn't going to be a secret program that is so far advanced that it counters known physical laws.
I think you've misread this part--parent is not saying these are ours, not at all.
We're all in agreement that if what we're seeing is real, these would be non-human in origin.
So they must be natural in origin. There's no other option.
I don't agree with this at all.
Firstly I suspect it isn't real.
But if it is then I think it's most likely some human group has a technological breakthrough and it using it like this.
Say a US adversary wanted to give a "don't fuck with us" message to the US military. Outperforming state-of-the-art US fighters would be a good way to do it.
And just because the HN forum commentators don't know who it is doesn't mean the US intelligence community doesn't know. It might be broadly known that the Kamerians have access to this tech, and the knowledge is classified "to avoid broad panic".
There might be secret briefing to congress about it, which would explain perfectly why there is an apparent lack of action. All responses are classified.
So it's either the US but they claim it's not them, and they keep doing more investigations, or they're not human. I don't buy the faulty sensor argument given multiple corroborating sources.
What if the country that developed it was a Western-aligned country like Japan, Israel or France?
What if the country was a country like Russia or Cuba, and has had this tech since before the fall of the Berlin wall and the US intelligence community wanted to keep it secret?
What if the country was a country that is under Western sanctions for other reasons but those reasons were a pretext? For example, if the developer was Iran or North Korea how would you tell the difference without access to classified information?
What if the country was able to blackmail the US into not imposing sanctions? How would you distinguish between that an US foreign policy towards a country like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia?
What if the country was a historically neutral mid-power where there is significant downside in sanctioning them (for example Switzerland)?
What if some elements of the US intelligence community support working with the foreign power and others don't?
There are just too many possibilities to judge the veracity of a theory like this by looking at US foreign policy?
In the above situations, it'd be imperative for the US to acquire the tech through war, economic pressure or espionage, or if that wasn't possible try to prevent them manufacturing more. If it was a friendly country they'd have to share the tech.
This tech is basically like developing 5th gen fighters in the Stone age. There's simply no way the world's largest superpower wouldn't acquire the tech by any means necessary, since it threatens its very existence
Citation required.
> In the above situations, it'd be imperative for the US to acquire the tech through war, economic pressure or espionage, or if that wasn't possible try to prevent them manufacturing more.
Perhaps this is exactly what the US is doing? Except the US knows it can't go to war because it'd lose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64njI0uNvGg
My mistake, the subjects offered to testify under oath to Congress (I'm not sure if they went on to do so, I think they may have but I can't find that video right now).
Regardless, this shows the phenomenon is over 50 years old according to credible witnesses, which makes the foreign adversary scenario unbelievable.
Check out Dr Greer's Disclosure Project.
This Nimitz incident needs to be viewed in the wider context of reports over the years, UFO images in art, and explanations in other sources e.g. the Mahabharata.
I was initially sceptical, but one can be too sceptical - all options need considering.
Putting it altogether, on the balance of probablilties I think aliens are in fact the only plausible explanation.
There's a really good book "UFOs and Nukes" that goes into great details the correlation between UFO sightings by military members around nuclear facilities / detonation events.
Case studies are great, but I have not seen convincing, properly skeptical analyses. As they say: it's never aliens. People, unfortunately, are typically willing to see what they want to see.
All I can say to you is to look into the last NDAA legislation. These former DoD officials have convinced congress members enough to include legislation to further study UAP and create a system for pilots to report their events properly.
One final note: a true scientist should never rule out a possibility. Blanket saying “it’s never aliens” is wrong, because one day we almost for sure will find alien life in the universe.
I have looked at the publicly available evidence, read the analyses, and thought long about this (as have many others). In my best estimate there is either a concerted effort by eccentric military leaders to trickle UAP sightings with a sprinkling of psyops. The US military is intentionally very opaque and slow, but that does not make it also all-seeing or wise.
Lue Elizondo did far more than run AATIP. His primary job at the DoD was to prevent leaks from the Special Access Programs that contained the classified technology that would be working on what you claim UFOs are. Here is his performance report that outlined his official duties https://imgur.com/a/y0X1eoo His full IG report which had the performance report above is here https://www.dropbox.com/s/cgqoaeore81lbxs/Luis%20Elizondo%20... I find it hard to believe that the man whose job was to prevent the leaking of US classified technology would not know that these UFOs were just classified tech.
The public by and large, more or less, already believes in their existence. There are actual religions built around aliens, this has been been a part of pop culture since the 1940s. If they're trying to obey something like the Prime Directive and prevent cultural contamination then they seem to be doing a terrible job. Picard would be ashamed.
Now imagine you're a galactic force where the minimum ante for any extra-societal interaction is the highest existential stakes possible. You're going to be very careful and methodical with your force projection.
I'm not saying that's what's going on here, but there are many different plausible explanations for behavior that seems strange, unlikely, or convenient at first blush.
Answer: not aliens, just a big PsyOps to give the military more funding.
The former Deputy Secretary of Defense for Intelligence wrote a blog alleging that there are black projects hidden within DoD contractors that are reverse engineering non-human intelligence craft. He's presented enough evidence to congress for them to add specific legislation to bring these programs to light.