I believe the only effective form of online advertisement is saturating search results with sponsored links, which is also kind of scummy because it hinges on making the ads look like regular search results.
Now, Google knows me very well and should be able to target me with super effective and compelling advertisements. Yet, I get tons of ads for products that I would never, ever purchase. Things like women's beauty products (not a woman), alcohol (never drink), trucks (not interested). While things that I would be interested in are never seen; science fiction movies, technology news, etc.
I really don't see how Google (or any other ad company) are successful at all. I'm guessing they are just spewing ads to everyone on the planet and hoping that some stick. It feels like the "male enhancement" emails have the exact same process and probably work just as well.
I assume this is a large reason why websites are so keen for you to use their apps.
Instagram doesn’t really work outside of the app for me though
i get buffering on a regular basis, videos take multiple seconds to get started.
libretube OTOH is much better.
been using newpipe since it came out first so i have seen the whole drama of previous many years.
It works inside Apps (Android etc.) and games or youtube videos, too. There are ways to get around this, like e.g. hardcoding IPs that are not known to serve Ads, but this needs additional work and 99% of ads don't do this. Benefits of router based DNS sinkholes:
- cannot be detected by websites with anti-adblock scripts
- no memory consumption on clients
- fewer web browser plug-ins needed
- lower device CPU utilization from AdGuard PC/Android apps, uBlock extensions etc.
- protects all network devices without requiring extra work
- browser, software and OS independent
- device and PC independent.
- implements redundancy should users remove/disable browser plug-ins
[1]: https://next-episode.net/Loading faster is also probably detectable, especially if there's some request that the server intentionally replies slowly to to aid detection.
The reason why this does not happen is that companies understand that someone who hates ads so much they are willing to deploy an ad blocker, a DNS sinkhole, etc will probably not click on an ad either way.
The only actual direct consequence to clients I have noticed is that if you directly want to resolve Blocked-Ad-Links, it won't work - e.g., Google usually displays some "Ad"-Links first as results - clicking these won't get you anywhere. For my private LAN users, I think this is a good lecture to have - realizing that you're bullied into clicking valid-looking links that are instead Ads, from people that pay others to distract you from what you were actually looking for, or distort the natural ranking by paying for being ranked first.
I have a printout at our house for visitors who complain about this: They can manually set their DNS to 8.8.8.8 and my router won't interfere (it could, but I found spoofing direct requests to Google's DNS a bit too much).
I use nextdns (because I was too lazy to setup pi-hole), which has a simple ui for whitelisting domains as and when I can’t get around one (though usually it’s down to a tracking script breaking a site when it fails to load).
To which I responded, "Well, someone does, or we wouldn't have all this free food."
There's a simple test of your hypothesis, which they can do easily inside Google but it's harder to do from outside: has CTR gone down over the years?
CTR only matters in the short-term. In the long-term, what matters is if the market of advertisers believes ads are profitable for them. If their CTR goes up 10x but they cannot verify conversions, they may eventually stop buying ads. That won't happen quickly, because attribution is so hard and you can never be sure where your conversions really come from, but the decline of ads may still happen over a longer time frame.
Google considers all of those spam, and goes to great lengths to detect them, refund them, and remove them from the stats. Changes in spam-cleaned CTR, which is what advertisers see and what Google talks about for aggregate metrics, should not be explainable with any of those.
Also, even in the short term, CTR as a primary metric only matters if you're paying a fixed amount per impression on a fixed number of impressions - i.e., almost never, unless you're looking at a particular fixed subset of the network. If prices go down, e.g. because of adding enough new inventory to decreases auction pressure, or if you add new lower-CTR inventory in a CPC auction, then the total amount of ad spend can still go up as CTR goes down. Google-wide CTR has been dropping for years, mostly due to mix shifts. In particular, Youtube ads, which have lower CTR than search, have been growing a lot faster.
As for "impressions" -- that's a term for content-based ads, not search ads. Search ads are enormously more valuable than banner ads.
I put the ad someplace where people had to click on it on purpose, and I guess a lot did. That or Google did it for me
Maybe something like rate of change of CTR is stable relative to the rate of change of traffic.
Me personally? Seeing something on Instagram is enough of a reason for me to never buy it. Same for influencers telling me to buy something, I'd rather they eat shit
But for ads that get interleaved with organic Amazon results, a lot of these are harder to spot (and also more innocuous imo)
Enough of the population falls for predatory online scams for them to be profitable.
This can only last as long as there is competitors willing to pay for those adds. Which might be getting tighter.
People get used to Ads in any format over time like you noticed. But the fight for our attention will never stop.
So in Google’s case, maybe their model won’t work in the future. The ad money will go somewhere else.
Yes, I know I get other ads in content, but reducing the exposure is still reducing the exposure.
I could never figure out if advertisers don't know what's going on, or they merely don't want to know. I get the feeling that companies value brand perception so heavily they don't know they're getting ripped off by the distribution networks. Or, individual ad executives just want people to talk about their ad at the water cooler, so don't purchase ads to most efficiently use their employer's marketing budget, but rather maximize impressions to inflate their personal brand. Like I said, I don't know; maybe everyone knows about all of these things and they think untracked ad impressions are worth what they're paying. It's a mystery to me, but I'm somewhat surprised the traditional ad industry is alive and well.
(The really insidious new form of advertising are paid endorsements and rigged reviews. If you search for "best X 2023", 100% of the results are ads presented as research. Truly evil and ruined ... everything.)
It's also not an entirely logic-free assumption to make. If a brand can afford prominent and consistent advertising over a multi-year period then you can reasonably assume that it's making enough money to sustain its existence. That makes a costly, long-running ad campaign a decent proxy signal for market strength and/or social proof. Is it 100% accurate? Definitely not, but none of this behavior by the consumer or the advertiser is logic-free.
- Things like Red Bull events are for general awareness and can provide a source of content that is used on other platforms. This is similar to TV or billboard advertising where you can’t measure direct impact but it’s getting eyes on your brand. There’s also the element of “we’re a big important company and you can tell because we wasted all of this money”
- In some cases brands buy a package of ad space from an agency and don’t pick where it shows up - the agency is supposed to fill ad space in front of the desired audience but can’t find enough inventory. Rather than give the money back and have a smaller budget to renew next quarter they dump it in lower quality spots.
- Some advertising is also defensive in that you’re denying space that your competitors can buy
- Occasionally brands will get a discount for a larger ad buy knowing that the ads will show up in lower performing locations - but they still got the bulk discount
- In some cases people just screw up and don’t manage budgeting, retargeting, frequency, or other limits so the automated systems find somewhere/anywhere to show the ad since the platform is guaranteeing some amount of visibility
- Content placement is definitely on the shittier end of ad quality but it can be much cheaper or may be included as part of an ad package for a specific site or publisher
Generally advertising seems to be a net negative and the increase in ad space drives down costs so ad platforms need more ad buys and more advertisers to fill the ever-growing inventory but how else are you going to tell people about your product at scale?
> I could never figure out if advertisers don't know what's going on
This is largely not true. The big advertisers all have a pretty good idea of which spends were accomplishing their goals better than others. It's the goals that might not be obvious from the outside; everyone always assumes click-through or call-to-actions but for the big spenders that tends to be pretty low on the priorities list.
> , or they merely don't want to know.
This is also true. So while everyone knows what the underperforming ad products are, no advertising executive wants to be the one sticking their neck out doing the work proving advertising _doesn't_ work. That's their livelihood, once you question the necessity of an established market leader, you're more likely to invite question the necessity of you instead. Is it "Google advertising doesn't work" or "you don't know how to make Google advertising work"?
> I get the feeling that companies value brand perception so heavily they don't know they're getting ripped off by the distribution networks.
When we asked major advertisers and agencies what their top priorities were: all of them put brand safety at the top of the list. Above reach, above cost efficiency, above click through, above conversions. Brand perception is a subcomponent of brand safety. It takes years to build up good brand perception and very few mistakes to undo that progress.
> Or, individual ad executives just want people to talk about their ad at the water cooler, so don't purchase ads to most efficiently use their employer's marketing budget, but rather maximize impressions to inflate their personal brand.
Most ad executives never hear much about their ad campaigns. But if they do at the water cooler in a positive light, you've probably made their whole career.
> Like I said, I don't know; maybe everyone knows about all of these things and they think untracked ad impressions are worth what they're paying. It's a mystery to me, but I'm somewhat surprised the traditional ad industry is alive and well.
Tracked ad impressions are relatively a very new thing for this very old industry. Generally at the scale advertising works at, they don't need full comprehensive impression tracking to know if they're accomplishing their generally unambitious goals, it's easy enough to get a representative sample and extrapolate with statistics.
If you're trying to sell something, it's way easier just tracking how many sales you got than trying to divine how impressions and click through rates could impact sales. There's a bunch of A/B testing going on with how campaign spends are broken out. Different products or regions can be intentionally left unadvertised to use as control to measure effectiveness.
Basically there's a lot of data (and very few it from the adtech platforms themselves, since they had to know this before the era of digital advertising) that supports advertising as a whole works really damn well, and most of the work is just determining what advertising strategies are working better than others.
Plus, the data from Google/Facebook is largely junk anyway (same as everyone else to be fair). Just check out your advertising profile on those respective sites. You'll probably get a big laugh on the accuracy of your interests.
- waste the budget of annoying/scam ads in hope that in the future I'll see less of those
- support the content creator
You can pay for the service, which supports it and the content creators, plus you get a few extra goodies.
I started doing it about a year ago for the "play in background" feature, but the no-ads thing has been nice.
Do realize that unless the content creator is in the YouTube Partner Program, clicking on the ad does not support them at all, you only waste your time making Google more money.
I’m confused. So you use the content blocker.
>Google/YouTube/etc ad. Never.
You may not have clicked on a YouTube ad, but you still needed to _watch_ some or part of that ad. Maybe you weren't influenced, but you were at least exposed to whatever the advertiser was selling.
You get presented an ad:
- click and advertiser gets charged
- don't click and the ad word cost goes up so advertiser pays more to present the ad next time (because click through rate went down)
I always thought it was an amazing scheme, collect both ways.
Or did I get it wrong? Was ages ago when I looked at it.
I don't click either...
Same here