Does the presence of conditional expressions mean that the language which permits them is necessarily not declarative?
when you create html, you dont care how the rectangle is drawn, you focus on defining the result itself.
if sql was declarative, than the code of the SQL above would be: GIVE ME ALL THE COST OF THE EMPLOYEES --, I DONT CARE ABOUT THE DETAILS
the details, which in this example the difference between fulltime/contract employees would be handled by the framework (SQL server) which would already has a concept of two kind of employee like in HTML can have rounded tips of rectangle or angular tips, because the framework already understand these ideas
an SQL query itself (if no structured language used) is just a big function applied on a set. It has never have a concept of the things you do, like building an accounting solution to a company. HTML has the concept of paragraphs, button, etc etc, all the things you wanna do. but with SQL you step by step define what you want by conditions and transformations.
or another way to separate them -imperative is a combination of -sequence/condition/loop
-function -no loop (cardinality is always multiple) -sequences is encoded as data -conditions <- yes it has conditions
This is exactly what SQL is. There are exceptions, but they're exceptions.
> an SQL query itself (if no structured language used) is just a big function applied on a set.
I don't think you have a correct model of SQL. SQL is a language that expresses definitions, not functions. It is absolutely declarative.
Some extensions of SQL can provide functional capabilities, yes, but they are exceptional.
no, i meant the query is literally this: GIVE ME ALL THE COST OF THE EMPLOYEES
or if we want to formalize more: ALL COST OF ALL EMPLOYEES
the point here that in a declarative mindset EMPLOYEE is a word that SQL server understands, like HTML understand paragraph <p> or table with rows and cells <table><tr><td>
>I don't think you have a correct model of SQL. SQL is a language that expresses definitions, not functions. It is absolutely declarative.
that just not true. without defining the how through transformations and conditions, the only thing you get out of the sql server is a table how it is stored. until you reach a certain complexity you are true, it can be seen as declarative, but my point here, is the approach of problem solving is the separation here. you dont even have to speak about computers:
cooking recipe VS assembly lines in factories VS a robot with ai, which can do whatever is programmed to, but in certain cases work out the details by itself when not given specifically (not the best example, but started to get exhausted)
Also how would you say that by nature HTML and SQL is the same?
I dont think html is anything like sql (only in the sense that all markup languages are also declarative) but a comprable situation would be if you were trying to render some ascii art in html and had to use pre tags in order to tell the layout engine how to show it.
You are describe here the abstraction you create on a primitive (related to the system you design) system, and introduce ideas like "employee" "unions" etc If you do good job, when you programming you combine generic purpose systems and introducing new ideas in a way that another human can understand (words), but in certain way you "made the computer system understand" those things too. That's your job. So basically you teach SQL server that a union employee is a thing with the dbo.IsEmployeeUnion function.
In case of html you are not introducing new things. You actually can, because the browser is really flexible (like i make a non-functional quasi elements a lot, to make the html code itself more understandable), but HTML is not designed for you to introduce new elements/ideas (originally, nowadays kinda with CSS). Anyways this is how you see the difference in another way.
I try to tell all of you how the technical details, the implementation does not matter, only just the language itself, when we speak about paradigms, but it seems i'm failing.
By the way, i think training AI models does not fit to any of the paradigms we have here, it's gonna be (or it is?) a new way to solve problems, and that also has nothing to do with files, or any kind of implementation. The important is what you see on the screen, and what you do.