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Yep. A lot of this thread feels like I’m being gaslit into believing the M1 machines were not the ridiculously huge jumps we all knew they were at the time.

I don’t really care about benchmarks, these things have allowed me to do twice the work with half as much pain. That’s not incremental.

Maybe they’re not great processors and it’s just Apple cheating in software/process-node/whatever. Great! Let me know when other manufacturers figure out how to cheat in software/process-node/whatever and I’ll consider them.

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They're not a ridiculously large jump, not on the overall scale of performance. There's nothing in an M1 that we couldn't do before, or haven't done before. High end SoCs have always had insane performance. However, slap literally any high end CPU of today on a SoC and you get the same results. Apple didn't invent new tech, didn't create performance out of thin air.

However, they did just force you to buy a new $2000 machine next time you want to upgrade in 3 years because it's a single, monolithic block.

>Let me know when other manufacturers figure out how to cheat in software/process-node/whatever and I’ll consider them.

Unfortunately, they all accept to be part of a greater ecosystem that doesn't attempt to fuck you over by being un-upgradable and incompatible with each other, so cheating is out of the way.

> slap literally any high end CPU of today on a SoC and you get the same results.

They should do that!

> they did just force you to buy a new $2000 machine next time you want to upgrade in 3 years because it's a single, monolithic block.

You’re absolutely right. I love my really fast, cold-running, forever-battery monolithic block. I’m very happy to pay ($2000/365/3 = $1.82) per day for it, minus the resale value it’ll still have.

I understand the value of the ideals regarding end-user upgrades, but at the end of the day the tradeoffs just don’t make sense for me.

i think some people exaggerate their performance gains but the battery life they provide is ridiculous

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