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This is likely relevant because they have completed botched this game.

They made Vermintide and Vermintide 2 and those were excellent games. The word is that they were set to rehash Vermintide 2 and that some stakeholders wanted better monetization. This was late in the release cycle, and resulted in an absolutely HORRIBLE experience. The game is... bad.

Play Vermintide 2 and maybe circle back to Darktide in a year or two if they reverse course and implement the systems it should have had (and were promised) in the first place.

Steam links to see reviews:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1361210/Warhammer_40000_D...

https://store.steampowered.com/app/552500/Warhammer_Verminti...

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Man that's a lot of controversial opinion confidently framed as settled fact. Stahp

I think I framed it as opinion and unsubstantiated rumor fairly well.

I also think the game WILL get better. Hence me recommending circling back to it.

I disagree. I think it's framed as an undisputable fact - you'll notice that this is my opinion since I preface it with "I think", rather than simply stating: "Your post is an undisputable fact.". Compare it with: "The game is... bad.".

Perhaps you misjudge your ability to frame posts, and that's okay! We all have things in life that we can improve on :>

I think you might need to understand an implicit versus explicit statement of opinion.

If I state something that is reasonably an opinion, which anyone’s judgement of a game is, then I don’t need to make it explicit. Making it explicit simply clutters up communication.

Perhaps you need to improve your ability to be swayed by simple statements and your ability to evaluate what is and isn’t opinion?

"The word is..." is how you preface gossip.

Weird I saw a few people playing it - MoistCritikal and the Digital Foundry guys (and maybe others?) - and they didn’t seem too down on it. Though maybe DF were focussed on the tech and MC wasn’t aware of some missed promises?

The game play itself is excellent. Everything outside of the game play is awful, missing systems that were promised, low amount of mission types, badly designed challenges, very bad cosmetic monetization, etc. But the actual game play loop is incredibly good.

I completely agree. This should be a lesson to game developers on how (poorly implemented) monetization can absolutely destroy even the best gaming loop.

Ahhh fair enough, that makes sense since it otherwise looked pretty polished and fun. I am curious what the missing parts were, but a chunk of missing content is maybe easier to deliver than a fundamentally broken or un-fun primary game loop

Primarily crafting so that you can upgrade and reroll weapons you like, which is the whole fundamental progression system, but it looks like that may have been at least partially implemented since release. I'm sure in a year of content updates it will be a fantastic game. I think the main cause of the backlash is that vermin tide 2, their previous game and basically the same game as this one but with a different setting, has everything in it that this game either implemented poorly or not at all, so it is just a straight downgrade of a game that's already out and they knew how to make those systems good, and just didn't for the release.

Edit: oh, I forgot, they actually advertised that one of the big name 40k writers, Dan abnett, had written the story for their game. That was a large selling point. But there is no story currently implemented, and the setting is pretty generic, so people are unsure what it is exactly that he wrote.

Ah ok, yeah so that sounds like a bit of step backwards and a substantial amount of missing stuff.

All reviewers are self-interested. Don’t forget that.

Yeah that goes without saying, but neither of the accounts I mentioned are "reviewers" in the traditional sense

I don't agree at all - me and my friends have played lots of vermintide, and dark tide so far looks like the exact same game, but better. We're really enjoying it.

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