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In addition to the others that have already been listed here, there's recent research pointing to elevated levels of both ANG-1 and P-SEL[1], a combination of elevated cytokines and lowered cortisol levels[2], and changes in mitochondrial proteins from neurons[3].

Biomarkers by nature can be extremely difficult to track down.

[1]: https://molmed.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s10020-022...

[2]: https://www.webmd.com/covid/news/20230106/researchers-hunt-l...

[3]: https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2022/05/422906/long-covid-blood-ma...

Max exertion test for post exertional malaise (PEM), Immunoassays, red blood cell plasticity in small capillaries, nano-needle salt stress test, calcium channel dysfunction test, and there are probably a few more that I’m probably forgetting.

These test are all highly accurate and can easily distinguish between those who have ME/CFS/LongCovid and those who don’t.

Edit: I did forget some; retina capillary test, ACE-2 auto antibodies (though not sure about the accuracy for this one). Then there is also the metabolic assays that are so full of distinctive differences that the issue is determining the important ones.

I would rather put my trust in the NIH, CDC etc than a random doctor on YouTube.

https://covid19.nih.gov/covid-19-topics/long-covid

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/...

The same people that have a revolving door to big pharma? The same people that told you you couldn't get infected by covid after a vaccine? The same people that told you an unsealed cloth mask would help? Boy are you gullible, you really should start looking into studies and the data rather than the con men that you "trust".

Can you name one biomarker for depression or severe PTSD or bipolar disorder? Do you believe those don't exist either?

The majority of long covid is fake though. It will be suffered by the same hypochondriacs that had gluten intollerance last decade and dust allergies before that. You are are that the definition of long covid is along the lines of "anything that can't be explained that happened after a covid infection" absolute horseshit propagandized by the media. Show me some biomarkers and I'll start paying attention.

How do you know they're hypochondriacs? Are there studies showing long-COVID patients to be hypochondriacs? Or are you a doctor who has examined lots of patients who turn out to be hypochondriacs?

Watch the video I linked to, it contains a well designed study that gives good evidence in favor of that hypothesis.

You won't though, will you?

I watched it and skimmed the paper. I did not see any claim that people are hypochondriacs, nor any evidence for it.

Propaganda for what?

For pretending that covid is something other than a moderately bad flu, in order to push pretty much untested mRNA shots onto the population, the vast majority of whom didn't need it.

Is it this month that the clinical trials end? I will be very curious to see what happens then, as the EUA will end, and thus pharmas liability shield is gone. Will the bullshit be forgotten about? Biden just extended the "emergency", so maybe not.

Covid, one of the worse diseases that humanity has ever known, is "a moderately bad flu"? Do you realize that it has killed more people in these two years than TB, malaria, most individual cancers, AIDS, and on and on - and this based only on the officially confirmed cases, and despite absolutely unprecedented prevention measures virtually everywhere in the world? If we look at increased mortality, or if we extrapolate what happened early in China or Italy, it would have probably easily beaten the original AIDS epidemic, perhaps even the Spanish Flu.

And to prevent the tiresome "died with Covid, not of it" idiocy, that applies to each and every disease death number. There is no such thing as "dying of a disease" that is separate from "dying with a disease", apart perhaps from cases of violent deaths, such as "shot in the head while infected with Covid" (which are obviously an entirely insignificant minority).

What’s worst is a bit relative, I’d prefer covid to hiv obviously.

What made covid bad was how transmissible it was, everyone got it more or less.

Once you actually got it though it was about as severe as a flu, in the neighborhood of a bad flu, particularly notable for the age-based outcomes that were very much correlated to age. Plenty of flu variants actually effect young people strongly whereas covid was very much “older is worse”.

In one sense covid was way worse than any old flu after 1918, in the other sense covid is somewhere between an average and bad flu. Your values might determine which is more important to you.

If you were young covid was no big deal, if you were old it was terrifying. This was an odd situation for many diseases.

And you have to be honest covid cases and cause of death are counted differently. There are lots of infections which just aren’t tested which would otherwise have much bigger “cause of death” numbers.

I’m not a denier at all, the problem is facts get distorted to match people’s personal views and often the things you argue against aren’t entirely wrong, if distorted.

Absolute nonsense. 99.97% survival rate for under 70s. Here is the impact compared to other pandemics, completely insignificant. If it weren't for forced masks and the hysteria imposed by governments it would be completely unnoticeable.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-deadliest-pandemics-...

> ["Long covid" is just propaganda] in order to push pretty much untested mRNA shots onto the population

To what end?

For pharma, to get a clinical trial for free. For authoritarian politicians to trial run social credit systems (vaccine based this time around) and tracking systems. Plenty of money to and power to be grabbed by those in positions to benefit from them. For big tech, to force people to stay in their homes and thus on their platforms. For those without any spiritual aspect to their existence, a chance to virtue signal, to force their ideals on everyone else.~~

Have you seen what the WHO are trying to push through? https://jamesroguski.substack.com/p/help-spread-the-word?utm...

Bit of an aside, but I genuinely laughed out loud at a youtube link being used as your source.

I know it's against the guidelines to comment on quality of HN going downhill, so I won't. But if I could...

I didn't follow the link above, but some prominent and respected scientists put lectures on YouTube so I don't think the platform is a bad source per se.

> I know it's against the guidelines to comment on quality of HN going downhill, so I won't. But if I could...

You did.

It's a summary of a peer reviewed paper from a doctor. Absolutely hilarious.

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