Additionally, Tesla's model right now is to have a driver in the seat. They aren't trying to deploy a car without anyone in the driver seat. There's no need for them to have any license other than the one they have.
Additionally, Tesla's model right now is to have a driver in the seat. They aren't trying to deploy a car without anyone in the driver seat. There's no need for them to have any license other than the one they have.
This is provably wrong for Waymo. It may be geo-fenced, but it's robotaxi service is unlimited in SF and Phoenix.
> The scope of what Tesla is doing is vastly larger, more future proof, more reliable, and much more difficult to achieve.
If it's more reliable, then getting the license from CA should be a breeze. The required reporting and publication of disengagement metrics seem to be giving Tesla cold feet, I wonder why
> Additionally, Tesla's model right now is to have a driver in the seat.
Great! So they should appropriately name it as a driver assistance technology.
Don't they need to get past the driver in seat level to make Musk's "1 Million Robotaxis by the end of 2020" promise come true?
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/22/elon-musk-says-tesla-robotax...
I'd say the scope of what Waymo and Cruise are doing is vastly larger. Full Self Driving taxi service, in which they have achieved small milestones.
> Additionally, Tesla's model right now is to have a driver in the seat. They aren't trying to deploy a car without anyone in the driver seat. There's no need for them to have any license other than the one they have.
Well yeah, but they have been promising "full self driving" for a while where the driver won't have to do anything. They also want to have robo taxis in the future for which they should be testing with a license now.
So then it's not full self-driving? I don't understand. Elon has been promising full self-driving for years:
https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-ne...
Google's Sergey Brin predicted driverless cars by 2017.[2]
BMW predicted we'd have driverless cars by 2020.[3]
Supposedly sober industry analysts predicted 2019.[4]
It's also worth pointing out that many of Elon's predictions were not predictions of a finished product, but rather predicting when Tesla would have a system "capable" of self driving, not necessarily a system capable of driving consistently and reliably. (In much the same way, I am capable of hitting a target with a crossbow, but not consistently and reliably.)
To be clear, I'm not defending Musk's predictions, only pointing out that such predictions were widespread and Musk was just one of many, many, many people who turned out to be wrong.
[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/travis-kalanick-interview-on...
[2] https://www.theregister.com/2012/09/25/google_automatic_cars...
[3] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/13/self-driv...
[4] https://www.businessinsider.com/report-10-million-self-drivi...
https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now...
Musk will continue to lie about it because he thinks that without full self-driving Tesla is worth basically zero:
https://electrek.co/2022/06/15/elon-musk-solving-self-drivin...
Tesla has backed itself into this corner for no good reason, which is an irony considering that Teslas aren't good at backing themselves into anywhere else:
Lots of people who buy Teslas don’t care about the self driving at all. They want the best-designed, best-driving, fastest electric cars on the road with the best charging network.
Well, Europe's charging infrastructure is the best at the moment and "best driving" is subjective. So do you mean they want a Porsche Taycan in Europe? Or maybe the Audi e-tron GT? Or the Mercedes EQS? Or perhaps the BMW iX?
You'll need to be more specific.
Lucid has started European deliveries (https://www.electrive.com/2022/12/21/lucid-motors-launches-a...) so we can add the Air to our list. As we know, the Lucid Air is great for both range and performance:
Whether Tesla is ahead or far behind others, they're the only ones exposing their technology to unsupervised assessment by independent third parties in uncontrolled, adversarial conditions. On the other hand Waymo have real, productive, actually driverless cars operating within geofenced areas right now. How do you compare the two? Anyone who claims to know which of the two is "ahead" is either smuggling in unstated qualifiers, or they're blowing smoke.
" He promised, despite unhappy faces from his engineers, that it would take fewer years than he had fingers on his right hand before they were available to everyone – although the price wasn't mentioned."