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The biggest problem is that Firefox updates the next time you open the app, without warning.

That's not a sane decision. Sane would be to update on closing.

Same way Windows offers to "Update and Shutdown" (you don't need the PC anymore why don't I under after you walk away) and not "Update on next Start up" (I'll wait until you need me to get in your way).

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> Same way Windows offers to "Update and Shutdown" (you don't need the PC anymore why don't I under after you walk away) and not "Update on next Start up" (I'll wait until you need me to get in your way).

This presumes that shutting down is never a time-sensitive action. If I had a nickel for every time Windows decided it wants to spend a half hour installing updates when I'm trying to shut down a laptop so that I can put it in my bag and go somewhere with it, I'd be able to actually buy a Windows license instead of resorting to vlmcsd.

If you use win-x to access the shutdown menu, it will give you options of shutdown or update and shutdown. Although, I think that's really shutdown and update on next boot though. At least this is available in Windows 10.

I run a desktop workstation with a UPS, its lead acid batteries are not infinite and don't like staying discharged, so at times shutting down quickly and cleanly is very important. The more I hear, the happier I am that I moved to Linux a decade and a half ago, and this general topic is a major reason I'm planning to go back to Debian after using Ubuntu LTS for my last two versions.

As a side note, I've never understood why Windows and macOS updates take so long compared to Linux updates.

I wanted to check if it is due to stacking (security) patches instead of just extracting whole tarballs and the first result I got from Google was: https://www.quora.com/Why-are-updates-in-Linux-much-faster-t...

Quora always had reputation for being shit but I am impressed by how terrible that page is. I mean there are only two 2 types of answers there: "Window$ is BAD" and stuff that looks like generated by GPT-3( or straight up from those infamous "recipe sites" a.k.a. SEO farms).

You would probably script out that shutdown sequence, and IIRC shutdown.exe can bypass the install updates step.

I should have left a "sequence shortened" warning. Windows 10/11 offer you 4 options when an update is pending. "Update and shutdown", "Update and reboot", "Shutdown" and "Reboot".

Perfect!

Agree with yellowapple. Update on shutdown isn't great either. The sane decision to me is to let the user decide when to update their software.

Windows does, you can update whenever you life. All 4 possible options are offered when you go to shutdown, including skipping the update to shutdown/reboot now.

Windows does sometimes get it correct.

I would expect a software to close itself when I ask it to instead of hiding behind and update itself.

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