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The audience for far left propagandists is much smaller than they’ve been telling you. They’ve been amplifying each other for years but as that infrastructure is taken away from them, they’ll head back to the margins where they belong. Like the far right trolls they aren’t too different from.

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Far-left? On twitter?

A site that famously stated that if they applied their rules equally, they'd have to ban almost all republicans, so they currently don't apply the rules to those?

Twitter is a site where a statement as simple as ACAB, which is legally protected speech [See https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemit...] would get you a ban.

Twitter is as center-right as it gets. If you think twitter is far-left, you're living in an extreme filter bubble.

Twitter is both. The records hop from 'left wing bias' to 'right wing bias' over and over. Plus, the internet skews left-progressive, which makes even centrist views seem right-conservative.

For every case of ACAB you can find a case of white hate or man hate with loads of retweets left alone or soft-endorsed, with the opposite being flagged for ToS violation. Both those statements are far more dominant among far-left.

I guess this depends on whether you think "transwomen aren't women" is a right-wing or centrist statement. By world standards twitter was far left, by USA standards it was left, by California standards or non-USA anglosphere standards it was centrist.

> By world standards twitter was far left

Whose world standards? The US left is the European right.

And no one buys into the transwomem are women over here. On social issues euros are more conservative, more ethnocentral and more racist. If you're an immigrant you can become an American but you will never become a German, just doesn't work like that.

Where in Europe do you live? I was born and raised (and still live) in the Netherlands, and our experiences are clearly very different.

Of course, there exist racists in any country; I don't deny that. However, racism certainly isn't generally accepted here.

This is supported by the fact that the alt-right occupies less than 20% of seats in Parliament (10% in Germany).

A lot of the interactions what immigrants like me in western europe have to go through are considered racist in america, that was my point. Ask anyone who has been an immigrant in EU and US. America is far more welcoming.

Also in Spain where I live is welcoming to lgbt in general, the feminists are all what Americans would consider terf and it's mainstream, actually in power right now - women are women, no prostitution, no to surrogacy, no to porn production.

I am a child of immigrants. I'm sorry that our experiences differ on this point. It may be possible that the south is more conservative than the west, but be careful about falsely generalizing this to 'world standards'.

By the way, Spain is generally considered part of Southern Europe, not Western Europe. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Europe#Modern_division...

> the feminists are all what Americans would consider terf and it's mainstream, actually in power right now - women are women, no prostitution, no to surrogacy, no to porn production

This is excellent news for women - are they enacting / have they enacted laws to fulfil this?

The majority of Germans support self-id laws for trans people (Selbstbestimmungsgesetz). Both in parliament and society overall, a broad majority supports this.

So, you're wrong on this topic, too.

Places like Colombia, India, China, South Africa.

There the average person doesn't agree that transwomen are women.

South Africa has full legal protections for trans people, including permitting gender reassignment surgery without government interference and allowing them to apply to change the gender markers in their identity documents and the national population registry.

Discrimination against trans people for their gender identity is illegal, and the hate speech laws consider gender identity to be a protected category. [0]

It's true that a proportion of the population is conservative and does not agree with this or with LGBTQ rights in general, but that's true of any population.

[0] https://www.southernafricalitigationcentre.org/wp-content/up...

> Twitter is as center-right as it gets. If you think twitter is far-left, you're living in an extreme filter bubble.

I think this is what they call “gaslighting”.

If you think the journalists suspended were all 'far left propagandists' there's not much more that can be said in this discussion. You're too far gone down your own rabbit hole.

I wish you luck finding your way back sometime.

Not all of them. But most of them (possibly unwittingly) do their bidding in amplifying their fringe message.

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