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Collecting HD Maps is an 80/20 problem (I have a patent in a subfield of this, for better or worse lol) - you can get a ton of value from a small set of focused areas. If you can solve greater metro areas (no dirt roads?), you've got a real solution.

I also think that the mapping and routing component matters a lot less than how good your collision and realtime avoidance systems are. And in that arena, Tesla is an unmitigated disaster.

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Thanks for your anwser. I see a lot of bad things on Tesla FSD and I totally get the critics.

Yet, I follow DirtyTesla's YouTube channel and I think FSD is quite impressive compared to any other self driving software I've seen.

Would you mind to direct me to similar videos from Waymo for example in similar situations? I can't find anything even remotely as good as what Tesla is doing now.

I'm not a fanboy nor do I possess any TSLA actions (or even a car for that matter), I'm just interested in the field and until now I thought Tesla was the most promising tech (it seems I'm wrong, but I really like to see it!).

Compare Waymo[0] with Tesla [1]..

These are easily searchable which leads me to question your sincerity in feinting ignorance.

[0]https://youtu.be/mWvhw1KCmbo

[1]https://youtu.be/3mnG_Gbxf_w

I think you missed OPs point.

As I understand it, Waymo can’t drive on unmapped roads, and therefore there are no comparable videos of Waymo actually doing that.

You chose a Waymo video from their marketing channel, and a newspaper hit piece. And then questioned sincerity of OP…

did I? Here's a direct quote I was responding to:

>I see a lot of bad things on Tesla FSD and I totally get the critics...I think FSD is quite impressive compared to any other self driving software I've seen. > >Would you mind to direct me to similar videos from Waymo for example in similar situations? I can't find anything even remotely as good as what Tesla is doing now.

I can't believe one can make an honest argument that Tesla is ahead of Waymo on FSD

The honest argument is that we have seen Tesla’s technology exposed to unsupervised and uncontrolled adversarial conditions across hundreds of wildly diverse cities in the USA, whereas we haven’t seen Waymo vehicles doing anything outside of curated geofenced areas or curated marketing videos. Right now if you dropped a Waymo and a Tesla on an unsealed road in Michigan, one of them will drive at least as well as a human learner driver and the other will probably refuse to drive.

I agree that Waymo could well be far ahead of Tesla, but there isn't enough information in the public domain to say this with confidence. We don't have the ability to make a proper comparative assessment.

That was exactly my point, thanks for explaining it better than I did (as you must have guessed by now, English is not my native language, sorry).

Not to mention that there’s no evidence that any autonomous driving system was engaged on that Tesla.

They're just asking questions. Geeez.

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