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I don't have a dog in this fight, but just to answer the question. https://elonsbrokenpromises.com and https://elonmusk.today have examples of promises Elon has made that have not come to pass.

Superb! Thank you! This is exactly what I was after. Reading now.

Edit: The first one:

“Short via long dated put options” …

Is it not a conflict of interest for someone who is shorting Tesla to maintain an “elonmusklies.com” website? Or is the disclosure of their short position enough to excuse their bias?

Continuing to read …

Do you realize that claims about how the future will unfold are speculative? Why is Elon held to such an impossibly high standard when he makes obviously-speculative projections about what he thinks will happen in the future? Everyone knows he's over-ambitious and over-optimistic about deadlines, but why are we framing that "failure to accurately predict the future" or "failure to estimate a correct timeline" as broken promises and lies? What if we held all of us engineers, tech managers, etc, to the same impossibly high standard?

You may not have a dog in this fight, but these two websites are a little dishonest about how they frame things. Also there's a clear conflict of interest, because they're disclosing a short interest in the stock.

> Why is Elon held to such an impossibly high standard when he makes obviously-speculative projections about what he thinks will happen in the future?

It's because he actually makes these projections while all the other CEOs are tight lipped. Elon is also right on Twitter, loud and center. It takes rational thinking to understand that what he says are speculative projections.

I mean I get that, and personally I think it would be in his best interest to, uh... speak less, sometimes. But IMO that's a very different criticism.

Self driving is a year away!

If you've never seen the Sea Lioning comic, I recommend it:

"Sealioning refers to the disingenuous action by a commenter of making an ostensible effort to engage in sincere and serious civil debate, usually by asking persistent questions of the other commenter."

Very Curious, btw on your response :D

I can't reply directly to you nelsonic again - but what I've posted and the posts of others very very directly cover the promises elon hasn't met.

You are directly choosing to not read or respond to them, and have absolutely gone full sea lion.

No matter how many times you repeat the same question it's just over. We've responded. You choose not to listen.

Blind "stans" are disgusting, this situation is no different. Do not blindly follow a hateful personality to attach yourself to.

It’s sad that you think cliche tropes are a way to engage in civil discourse.

I’m not even slightly “attached” to Elon. That’s nonsensical. I just asked a polite question. He is as “hateful” as anyone else who has accumulated enough success to have a few enemies along the way. This thread was meant to be about the Tesla Semi truck a superb milestone and you felt the need to attack the CEO of the unquestionably successful company personally. Who’s being hateful? Sealioning, indeed.

I have 20:20 vision, thanks. Not even slightly “blind” ... anyone can see that Elon is far from perfect. Has made many mistakes in public…

Anyway, as you say, “you choose not to listen”.

I chose to believe in a better future; because the alternative is grim. Elon is _building_ the future whether you and the Haters like it or not.

@daguava Next time your company puts astronauts on the ISS and safely lands reusable rockets on earth, talk to me about Elon not keeping his word.

Free speech on Twitter means anything within the law

If you are referring to current twitter moderation, this characterization is untrue. Twitter is currently banning, permanently banning (and then unbanning) accounts that did not broke the law at all.

I said this in the other comment but that’s exactly what I mean; this is an example of him not holding true to his word.

If that were true, Kanye wouldn't have been banned. It's stupid and evil to post Nazi and swastika shit, but it is certainly legal.

Heh I think I wrote the comment in a bad way. This is what I meant; Elon said anything within the law and then just weeks in banned Kanye.

An example of is word not being worth much.

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