During the Paypal days he slept in the office, expected everyone to work long hours, and got into arguments and was an asshole at times. This has been well known for over a decade.
Why didn't the media run articles talking about how hard he was to work for during the past 10 years? Why just now? And, why is the NYT writing puff pieces about SBF? Do you ever think that maybe you are parroting what the media wants you to think?
Really makes you think 'ride or die' management style doesn't work with boring products like money wiring or social meds
Do you maybe think you’re parroting what groups of sycophants say to each other to rationalize their idols?
2015 is firmly in the period when he was amassing his fandom with the work at Tesla. The S was 2012 and the X was 2015. Both were huge things for his legacy that captured many minds, especially the X with its bold door design.
So I’m not sure what your point could even be given that you sound like a long term Elon fan.
Generally your talking points are straight out of every populist fan base.
In fact, populist is often not popular till it hits a runaway inflection point. As a case point: Trump was a populist leader but was not a popular leader NOR *the* popular leader.
Besides, this is not about the view of Tesla but the view of Elon.
It is not populist to dislike Elon, however dislike of Elon is currently popular.
People can dislike Elon without disliking Tesla.
People can dislike Tesla without disliking EVs.
Again, your argument is illogical as presented, and I suspect is borne out of an emotional reaction to the aforementioned wealth growth that you spoke of.
Can you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting? Your substantive points will do just fine without name-calling or swipes. In fact, they'll do better as they will be more persuasive that way.
Edit: perhaps specifics will be helpful. These comments seem fine:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33682623
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33682193
But these are not:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33682662
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33681903
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33681574
If you'd generally just avoid personal pejorative language, this would solve most of the problem. I add this because I've noticed it in at least one other thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33615209. If you know more than someone else, that's great—by all means please share some of what you know, so the rest of us can learn. Just please do it without putting down the other person (such as by describing them as ignorant or "emotional").
I wasn’t trying to insult the user so much as point out that their argument is emotionally clouded due to their relationship to the subject and their wealth gain. But I’ll try and do better at not using language that is accusatory.
Regarding the GPS thread, I was responding to their dismissal of someone else explaining the problem. While I agree I could have responded more thoughtfully, the subject had already been covered elsewhere. However I agree that the reply could have been better and I’ll try and do so in the future.
Thank you for the suggestions.
Tesla only exists because of the way it was managed over the past 15 years. It would be cool if there was a successful EV company run by someone that was super nice to everyone all the time and let employees work whatever hours they want, but in the real world that doesn't exist. So in the real world we have to make trade-offs. Do we want to transition to electric vehicles? If so what is the best way to actually do that?
I like Disney products, but Walt Disney wasn’t a likeable person. I like soccer leagues but think FIFA are deplorable. I love Pixar films but dislike John Lasseter.
Regardless, I’d bring back the point that nobody is attacking electric cars. Tesla can exist independently, and perhaps should, of Elon.
I'm not saying Elon is a perfect CEO and that is impossible for someone to do a better job at Tesla. But in the real world actions have consequences and the current state of Tesla is due to the previous actions of Elon.
For example, he fired a long time assistant after she demanded 4 million dollars in compensation. You can feel sorry for the assistant, for getting fired after doing a great job, but that is 4 million dollars that was then able to be invested into the rest of the business. You can't have it both ways. You can't fire Elon and expect that magically another CEO that you like much better as a person will also produce the same results.
> Do you ever think that maybe you are parroting what the media wants you to think?
Back to the same arguments people make about Trump, that a liberal media is somehow making it impossible to accurately gauge this childish narcissistic psychopath's behavior. I can see his tweets. I can read the things he says directly. I can see his behavior. I won't be easily swayed by someone trying to put a layer of spin on top in either direction.
> And, why is the NYT writing puff pieces about SBF?
I don't care? It's irrelevant to this? It's a bizarre thing to bring up?
It's increasingly apparent that the attacks of "media made you think" are outward projections from people who incapable of processing basic information on their own; they seem to assume everyone else is equally incapable.
Why did you have a "neutral to positive" impression of a "childish ass and a narcissistic sociopathic inept moron"? Is it possible that you are just repeating whatever you hear from the media? And now they have decided that he should be hated?
Also, interesting that you mention Donald Trump because my opinion of Donald Trump has not changed over the past 15 years. I always thought he was a selfish conman. So is my judgment better than NBC who paid him millions and is it also better than the Clintons who went to his wedding?
This is a bizarre reframing of the conversation. Mixing or changing of context, trimming statements for the bits you want. Not at all meaningful.