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Why not just fire off a DNS request ? Not blocked by captive portals, and you get free caching.

The whole point is to determine if you have full internet access, so you want to make sure that an HTTP request returns the data you're expecting. You may be able to get DNS responses but not have full internet access, like when on a public wifi that redirects all requests to a login page.

What is "full" Internet access?

I mean really, what does it mean to you, or to Windows, that I have "full" access to the Internet?

For me personally, I only visit a few walled gardens, so as long as I had my Google, my Wikipedia, and my work-related sites, I wouldn't miss 99.99% of the Internet anyway.

But what if your ISP blocks a whole bunch of ports? What if Adware has taken over 33% of your DNS space? What if you're behind a Great Firewall of <Dictatorship>? What if there's some sort of Balkanization or segmentation of your side of the 'net and you can't reach a lot of stuff? What if Cloudflare's down again?

Yes, "full" internet access is a hard to define term and this simple test doesn't cover all possible cases. But it will work in probably 99.99% of cases and honestly I think that's good enough. If it doesn't work you end up with a little "no internet connection" icon in your taskbar and that's about it. You can still use the connection, so I don't think it's a big deal that this test isn't 100% accurate. It's still more useful to the majority of users to have a slightly inaccurate test than to have no test at all.

Unless you know what the DNS request is "supposed to return", you can't know that just getting any DNS response indicates that you have full Internet connectivity.

They control the record contents just as they would some text in a file on some server, and could be checked in a similar manner.

Sorry, you were imagining the use of a TXT record (I assume) and that would work better than an A record inquiry that I was considering.

It still wouldn’t find http filtering, but it would work better than I initially gave it credit. (I still doubt it would give a contextually correct answer for an airplane wifi connection [where DNS May very well work but few other services do if not paid].)

They do, if you look at the docs Raymond linked that's actually the first step.

However that doesn't tell you about the presence of a portal or if HTTP traffic is actually possible.

> and you get free caching

Mayeb that's the problem?

Howso? You still need internet access to hit the recursive.

Mindless routers (which are frighteningly many) that cache the results and won't show the true state of upstream connection, which is an important thing. There are a lot less transparent HTTP proxies that wouldn't respect no-store than mindless routers trying their best to cache results.

Don't need internet access to read a cached record from a DNS service on localhost, on the LAN, etc.

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