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From my own experience, I have done it with and without the purge. It did feel like it accelerated the process, but not so much that it made a difference overall.

I have heard people claim that if you don't purge it doesn't count. It's the first thing they ask about another person's experience. That always felt a bit like Stockholm syndrome to me.

Please unflag the grand parent. Even thou I do not agree with what it says, I think it is interesting to have the discussion.

I mean, alcohol is literally poison and the state of being intoxicated is the desirable effect.

But only the state of being intoxicated. No one asks if you binged so much you threw up because otherwise "it didn't count".

Yeah I've definitely had friends and been around people like that in my youth. "Party 'til you Puke!!"

No, there are many people who will say you're not drinking properly if you haven't passed out, lost memory, spewed, done something stupid, etc.

The argument above is exactly the same with the same qualifier that of course not everyone (or even many) hold that attitude.

When people say that it's meant in jest more than when psychonaughts tell you, you haven't taken enough because you haven't fully broken down your psyche.

It's not really comparable.

It sounds like you haven't been around those kinds of drinkers then. The kind that will just spike a beer with vodka shots or do sneaky refills to make sure their friend 'experiences' the desired outcome. Very jesty.

We're obviously going to ignore Finland here.

Is chemotherapy Stockholm syndrome?

Sometimes the medicine has to be pretty bad to fight off something worse!

No, because if there were a treatment as safe and effective as chemotherapy at treating cancer, but that didn't cause nausea or vomiting, we'd all switch to it in a heartbeat.

What disease is ayahuasca fighting off? And specifically what is the the clinical benefit of the vomit stage?

By that token, what specifically is the clinical benefit to the vomit stage of chemo?

The argument is that the vomiting is a necessary step of this powerful medicine, and that the medicine is curing mental disease.

I'm not defending ayahuasca, I actually do think it's a sketchy corner of the psychedelic world to be trodden on very carefully, if at all. Just trying to supply the perspective.

Chemo: you might vomit, if you do it is expected, if you don't that is OK you still got the treatment.

Ayahuasca (to some people): wot you didn't vomit? if you didn't vomit, it never happened.

There's no benefit to puking you guts, it's a side effect. Chemo is basically poison.

"What disease is ayahuasca fighting off? And specifically what is the the clinical benefit of the vomit stage?"

I have heard people describe ayahuasca purging as getting rid of mental and/or physical toxins... as getting rid of depression, emotional/psychological baggage, medical maladies, etc..

No chemo is a last chance kinda thing. Nobody chooses to have chemo, it's just the only tool left in the box.

It's not like people eat spicy stuff that is so strong that literally hurts on its way out.

The closest thing I have to it is doing mushrooms and throwing up makes you feel amazing and the high really kicks in. Granted the initial nausea doesn’t feel good.

You need to drink ginger ale:)

Am I on HN or Shroomery?

Did it a dozen times in college, those days are far behind me :)

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