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> Taste is a manifestation of beauty and beauty in all forms is universal and hypnotic and skill-independent.

Taste can differentiate between different forms of beauty and form subjective preferences. Beauty is both relative and absolute. Your 16th century London building may cross the beauty threshold on some absolute scale, but consider a block that is filled with equally beautiful, but stylistically distinct buildings. It would be in poor taste to build a new building on that block in the 16th century style, even if the new building is objectively beautiful.

I actually mostly agree with you about intuition, but your claims are too extreme for my taste ;)

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> It would be in poor taste to build a new building on that block in the 16th century style, even if the new building is objectively beautiful.

True, just like it would be in poor taste to stick a beautiful ornate green column in a building where it doesn’t belong. Beauty requires harmony on the collective level, a cacophony of individually beautiful things can be ugly as a whole. We don’t want eyesores like we don’t want a wrong note in a symphony, though the same note might fit well in a different symphony.

Not a matter of opinion and not in the eye of the beholder, beauty is almost entirely objective. “Good” taste / “bad” taste may be our way of saying how much one has jammed the frequency in his brain that disables himself from perceiving beauty.

A stronger way of saying this, which I believe to be true, is that no two people with good taste will have strongly divergent views when evaluating the same thing, whether that be a piece of elegant software or Shakespeare or Bach.

> no two people with good taste will have strongly divergent views when evaluating the same thing

I disagree with this assertion (look at the heated arguments between different interpretations of quantum mechanics as a simple counter example that comes to mind). If I'm reading you right, you're claiming that taste is just appreciation for beauty, which is itself an undeniable objective truth. But I think this is too extreme in discounting any subjective role in the assessment of beauty. Any object that we deem beautiful just is. Whether or not we ascribe it as beautiful or not says as much about us as it does as the object. What does universal even mean here? Universal to humans? Can dolphins have an appreciation for beauty? If not, can it be said to be truly universal? If so, do we think that the dolphin's standard for beauty is identical to ours?

Again, I do agree with you that there are certain archetypes of beauty that most people will agree on. I also agree with your point that some people will dismiss beauty out of a sense of sour grapes. I just think you are taking things too far in the claim that beauty is a universal, objective truth outside of the realm of subjectivity. The concept of beauty itself cannot even exist outside of subjective experience so how could it completely transcend it?

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