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I mean that’s true at a Starbucks as well. You probably shouldn’t leave electronics unattended anywhere outside a home.

...unless you're in Korea, where people use electronics and backpacks to reserve their seats _on different floors_ while they go to order their coffee

(probably other examples too. This just floored me as an American)

or Denmark: https://matadornetwork.com/read/denmark-baby-alone/

It's true that babies don't get stolen here, but laptops and phones left in public certainly do. The resale value is better and the punishment much less severe if you get caught.

(The link in the article you posted mentions 97 cases of abductions; it's important to note that 100% of abduction cases involve the child's family, e.g. in custody battles and similar. A kid getting snatched off the street is a once-in-a-decade thing or rarer, and it's never an infant.)

Yep, here in Japan people will leave their valuables on a table to reserve it or to go to the bathroom. It's just a different culture; here, people are taught not to steal. In western cultures (particularly America), that just isn't the case apparently.

People aren’t stealing for a lack of being told not to do so in America…

Do you mean because they're poor? There's plenty of poor people in Japan, but they don't resort to stealing people's phones or wallets. Again, it's cultural. And it's not just America; over in Europe where there's a far better social safety net than America, petty theft is commonplace, especially pickpocketing (which, to America's credit, is almost unheard of there, which again shows this stuff is cultural).

As a European, I have to protest.

Pickpocketing is only a concern in tourist traps like if you went to visit the tower of Pisa out something.

And waking around my university buildings, it's very common to see people leaving their stuff including expensive laptops to reserve their spot in the library and random tables in hallways that have them. Though this is frowned upon if you're going for more than a few minutes.

Pickpocketing does not exist in America. Even on crowded public transportation systems. It's a cultural phenomenon.

> Pickpocketing is only a concern in tourist traps

I have not spent a huge amount of time in Europe but judging from the way certain minority groups are spoken about by many Europeans, it is not a widely held belief in Europe that pickpocketing is limited to tourist areas - although I'm sure that's mostly true.

I’m saying it’s not because we’re not “teaching” people not to do it, or not telling them not to do it, like the parent comment says. Of course we tell everybody not to steal. Clearly telling and teaching are not the gap here.

I live in America and leave my valuables unattended in public all the time. It’s locale-specific.

It’s always a culture shock for me to travel to other places in America and see bars on store windows, homeless people, signs telling me not to leave stuff in my car. I can’t understand how people let things get that way or why they allow it to continue.

What exactly are "they" going to do about it? Set up a surveillance police state where everything in public is monitored all the time, and then catch the thieves and "disappear" them so they don't re-offend? This isn't something you can easily stop without resorting to extreme policing measures. The reason it doesn't happen in Japan is purely cultural: people simply don't think to do it, because it's culturally unacceptable. It's just like pickpocketing in America: no one does it, even people who really are thieves and would steal stuff out of your car. There are crimes in Japan, but they're other kinds of crimes (usually some kind of scam). Just like there's plenty of crimes in America, but pickpocketing just isn't one of them.

I leave my laptop in the cafe all the time. Depending on the location and the people around, I’ll ask someone nearby to keep an eye on my stuff.

Edit: this is in America. In Eastern Europe, where petty theft was widespread, I’d only do it in upscale locations (e.g in the de-facto ‘embassy’ district) or when I was friends with the staff and could trust them to keep an eye on my stuff.

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