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Comment by ElevenLathe | Hacker News Reader

That's true! It's also true that nothing stops your employees from walking out until they are treated better! There's no need (or, morally, any possibility) of banning them from forming a group of their coworkers to organize this process.

Honestly you get more protections if they are part of a recognized union than if their only choice is a wildcat action.

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Why should me, as the owner, be unable to fire people trying to unionize? If someone doesn't like a job they can leave. The union is anti-freedom - it restricts what I am able to do with my property (my business).

You shouldn't be able to because it's a condition of our allowing your company to exist at all, and it's a law. Incorporation is not a right, it comes with strings attached, though fewer and fewer over time.

Even more fundamentally though, why should your employees care about your property? If you're worse off but they're better off, they should do it. Your wellbeing doesn't enter into the decision, just as their wellbeing doesn't enter into yours.

Business and commerce are emergent phenomena and they would exist without the state “allowing” me to organize freely with other people for financial gain.

Property rights are the foundation of civilization. Please - go start your own commune as so many fantasists have and see how well it goes. I prefer to own my own stuff and keep thieves from taking it.

> There's no need (or, morally, any possibility) of banning them from forming a group of their coworkers to organize this process.

In fact, in the US (and many other countries), it's illegal to do so.

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