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The risk of myocarditis is 11 times higher for unvaccinated individuals getting COVID than it is for people receiving the vaccine[0]:

“In a detailed analysis of nearly 43 million people, the risk of myocarditis in unvaccinated individuals after COVID-19 infection was at least 11 times higher compared to people who developed myocarditis after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine or booster dose, according to new research published today in the American Heart Association’s flagship, peer-reviewed journal Circulation. This analysis included data from England’s National Immunization database for people ages 13 and older who received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine between December 1, 2020 and December 15, 2021 in England.”

0: https://newsroom.heart.org/news/myocarditis-risk-significant...

Not true for young men getting the Moderna vaccine, and then you have 2x exposure to myocarditis risk factors for no benefit.

Not true for men under 40, which happens to be the HN demographic.

There is a large case study. South Africa, which is much younger than America, ignored the omicron wave. How are they suffering from the 11x higher risk of myocarditis now? Rhetorical question.

You should have gotten the vaccine as well, you are 10x more likely to die from covid than from the flu and highly likely to get long covid. Even if you have a low chance of dying from it you still have a extremely high likelihood of passing it on to someone it can easily kill and as a member of society you owe it at least a little bit if you receive its benefits. Also what does being male have to do with any of this? You do you though, but there is almost 0 danger in getting the vaccine and tons of danger in not getting it. Downvote if you like, but that's the science of it and I will always side with science rather than online speculation and conspiricists.

Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. And with a new pandemic, literally everyone is incompetent.

We have learned a ton about treating and preventing this disease, and vaccines are still the right answer for preventing mass public infection.

There’s really no functional difference between malice and incompetence, or even between evil and weakness. The problem is when incompetent people are given power to force their erroneous beliefs upon other, more rational, people.

That's a reasonable stance, though I don't agree in general.

But are you saying that's what the CDC is doing?

> And with a new pandemic, literally everyone is incompetent.

Then the right thing to do is to not pretend to be competent. Especially when speaking from a position of authority.

Fauci continues to present the vaccine as 100% safe without mentioning possible negative outcomes.

Are they not safe enough to recommend for everyone?

I have no idea.

There's always a risk with any medication you put in your body. Do we know with 100% certainty that the vaccine provides enough benefit to a 6 month old to justify the risk? I don't know.

I will at least give CDC.gov credit because now they are listing four possible "serious adverse events" (plus death is mentioned as well) here:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/sa...

But you have to go out of your way to find that. And nobody knows the long term risks but that's not mentioned.

Then listen to the news at 6, or the latest Fauci interview, and you'll only hear that "COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective".

>We have learned a ton about treating and preventing this disease, and vaccines are still the right answer for preventing mass public infection.

Are you _really_ sure about the statement you make?

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