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Even Apple has ads in iOS now, and nobody complains about it.

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No one?

Let me be the first. I would like to note my formal complaint at apple put ads on my expensive iPhone.

Maybe I’m a nobody, but I’m somebody.

They have ads in the store. Not on iOS in general.

Not if you count the ads to activate Apple products like AppleTv/AppleMusic

You mean the UI to enable the services? Those aren’t ads.

But they are? Under Settings, there is no "Apple Arcade" where I can decide whether to enable it or not. It's on top of all settings, and it pushes me to do it. It's an ad.

This doesn’t make sense. Of course you can decide whether to enable Apple Arcade or not. Obviously it’s a paid service, so you have to pay to enable it.

Who is ‘pushing’ you to do anything?

It's a banner on top of settings that has to be forcefully hidden, it's not in the Apple Arcade setting. Many people are explaining to you that if it behaves like an ad and smells like an ad, it's an ad.

I feel that you are either arguing in bad faith, or determined to defend Apple at all costs. I guess when your car manufacturer will start showing you "Enable Entertaining Package Plus for 14$/mo" in your car dashboard, you will be happy, think "of course I can decide whether to enable it or not", and probably feel very clever.

I question who is arguing in bad faith here.

If you are comparing a panel in the settings app to an ad on the dashboard of a car, I think it’s pretty clearly not me.

I like how you decide to call one "a panel" and the other "an ad" when they are exactly the same thing.

the store is part of the OS, you cannot delete the app store, you cannot use an alternative app store, and you cannot turn the ads off. Ads are part of the OS.

https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/control-how-apple-del...

Propositionally true but misleading.

Ads are only in the store, not the OS in general.

Your eyes are part of your head, and your head is part of your body.

You have eyes in your head, and not in the rest of your body.

We don’t say you have eyes in your body, even though you can make the logical case for this truth, because it would be misleading in the same way.

you're trying a little too hard. Ads are built into the code that apple ships to every iPhone, and thats that.

Nice goalpost changing. Nobody said it wasn’t bundled into code that ships with the iPhone.

There are ads in the App Store - we agree on that.

Odd take.

Why odd? It’s a growing movement in the real world.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/aug/11/can-cities-ki...

This is wrong. There are plenty of ads outside of the App Store, like:

- There are adds for iCloud in the Settings app.

- There are ads for Apple News in the Stocks app.

There are no adds for iCloud in the settings app. There is a page where you can pay for the service.

But.. I’ll grant the second - there are ads for Apple News in the stocks app.

So no. There are not “plenty of ads” outside the App Store.

Apple Maps is an Ad when I click on an address and only have google maps installed

You’re having to work hard. A link to renable a standard feature that was included with the OS is not an ad.

If my phone automatically recognizes addresses but refuses to recognize the world’s leading map service and instead sends me to the App Store to use their second rate app, it’s certainly an ad.

Obviously you don’t know the history:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/26/disagreements-ove...

As for being a second rate app, that was once true, but isn’t now.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/05/13/compared-apple-ma...

It seems that you are unaware that Google maps uses location data to make ads follow you around. That seems like a pretty good reason for Apple to protect its users from Google’s data collection machine.

I want google maps to use my position data so that I know where traffic jams are in real time. It has saved me a bunch.

Apple Maps still sends people to strange places when you leave the city. (Apple Maps once sent us to the middle of a farm field, which was funny at the time, so I was glad it happened.)

Apple Maps has traffic jam data. For that matter, my DVD based navigation in my 10 year old car gets real time traffic updates.

Neither of them involve using my position data to let ads track me.

Additionally nothing stops you from using Google Maps on iOS, or Waze for that matter, another Google Mapping product renowned for good traffic data.

In any case it sounds like you would prefer tighter integration of Google products into the OS, and have no problem with them collecting data on you.

In this case why not just use Android?

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