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Comment by diimdeep | Hacker News Reader

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> I find your post disingenuous and possibly propaganda itself, especially because you're quoting a Russian government news source in your post.

Instead of humble meta discussion about propaganda, you mark my point of view as propaganda, which in turn reads as propaganda itself.

I would happily quote some top western news media, only if it would not be completely one-sided. There is no democracy anymore there, where you paint one-sided picture and block other sides news sources.

> The memes and jokes in media are trying to turn something extremely grim into something a little more lighthearted to release stress.

I would argue that it is unethical, and mostly about warmongering and not stress release.

> all the tortures, mass murders of civilians and other activities being performed upon Ukrainian civilians by the Russian invaders.

> And no, worst war propaganda comes from Russia where they literally advocate for the elimination of Ukrainian civilians among other atrocities.

Either that or you live in a media bubble so different, that our opinions exactly opposite. Thankfully, it is just an opinion, and not a ground truth.

> I would happily quote some top western news media, only if it would not be completely one-sided. There is no democracy anymore there, where you paint one-sided picture and block other sides news sources.

That kind of argument doesn't work when you're listening to literally state-run media of the enemy. You could compare and contrast RT versus say Voice of America or Radio Free Europe, but not versus independent reporting. RT is by definition "one-sided". They have only one interest, the Russian government interest.

> I would argue that it is unethical, and mostly about warmongering and not stress release.

You call the praising of liberators and freeing of people from the oppression of their murderers and rapists as "warmongering"?

> Either that or you live in a media bubble so different, that our opinions exactly opposite. Thankfully, it is just an opinion, and not a ground truth.

If all you listen to is RT and related outlets, then it's no wonder you have lost the ability for independent thought.

> That kind of argument doesn't work when you're listening to literally state-run media

There is no difference at this point whether it is state-run or privately owned, if it behaves like a propaganda machine — it is a propaganda machine. So-called independent reporting completely lost credibility in recent years, particularly in politics, seems like it is not possible to have independent reporting, it is by virtue codependent on the state it is created within.

> media of the enemy

That is one way to put it, but there are other ways, friend.

> all you listen to is RT and related outlets > no wonder you have lost the ability for independent thought

No, I peak pretty broadly, including Spiegel, NY Times, WP, Guardian, aljazeera, and RT and related outlets are nonetheless decent news sources. To ignore it, is to deny realty on the other side of the fog of war.

> mass murders of civilians > praising of liberators > oppression of their murderers and rapists > turn something extremely grim into something a little more lighthearted

This is all unverified due to the fog of war, and to create derivative in the form of lighthearted jokes and memes is to be a propaganda tool on behalf of ruling elites.

> RT and related outlets are nonetheless decent news sources

They are a part of state propaganda apparatus, with editorial board directly controlled by Putin's administration. To equate that with the likes of der Spiegel and the Guardian is just laughable. No, your "media" and our media are not the same. NYT, der Spiegel, the Guardian et al have had their share of sloppy reporting, but Biden, Truss and Scholz don't get to say what they write about and what tone they use. That's a whole different level.

> This is all unverified due to the fog of war

No it's not, you're just in denial because accepting the truth would place you in the same bracket as Germans in 1945. It's far easier to come up with all kinds of excuses and whataboutisms than actually emotionally process and accept that. Judging by the Germans, many of you will never able to process it and will keep saying that the Fuehrer did nothing wrong and that the atrocities were made up or at least blown out of proportion.

> This is all unverified due to the fog of war, and to create derivative in the form of lighthearted jokes and memes is to be a propaganda tool on behalf of ruling elites.

So these pictures from today are faked? https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1579259409120624642

Or are you going to believe that Ukraine is bombing it's apartment buildings of it's own citizens in it's own territory in order to make Russia look bad, like the Russian state media tells you?

This is Russia retaliating for the strike on the Crimean bridge, several days of terrorist attacks where they intentionally strike only apartment buildings killing dozens of civilians.

Agree, this photos not faked, but it is not memes I was talking about, so do not twist my point of view here in regard to memes.

We can find photos that as well show attack from Ukraine side on civilian infrastructure. And it is not different from an attack on a bridge by Ukraine that also took lives of civilians.

These photos prove only that war is still going on, which I strongly condemn.

They are not proving your words that there is `mass murders of civilians` and that there is `murderers and rapists`

You're labeling one side terrorist and other liberators. Please take into consideration previous 30 years of history in the region and reasons why the whole conflict escalated in the first place. Roles of multiple parties, including Russia, NATO, US, and west.

Otherwise, this labeling and rhetoric is twisted double standards and hypocrisy, that west by the way is soaked through.

If west wanted peace, they would argue for dialogue for peaceful balanced compromises between sides, instead it is propaganda of liberation from oppression, and warmongering, which I have mentioned before.

Instead, west fuel media with Russophobia and fuel conflict with arms and military intelligence, seems like west do not even care whether there would be livable cities and land left after all this artificially created bizarre conflict.

Russia also just like Ukraine uses somewhat twisted rhetoric in media, nonetheless any intelligent unaffiliated observer understands that this conflict is much more than just `liberation from ukraininan neo-nazi` or `liberation from russian oppression`.

I would recommend for anyone to not consume just one side of rhetoric.

Why don't you list your non-propaganda media sources? The only one I can think of was WikiLeaks, but your trustworthy, benevolent western governments made sure to destroy it.

At least you have CNN /s

Why don't you post from your non-throwaway account?

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