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If the standard is that People don’t disappear for days and/or completely , then yes US systems is civilized and polite.

The slightest of non conforming information or a honest paperwork mistake in your application can be used to permanently reject a visa,

Even if you been living for many many years , you have to leave in very short time (10-60? Days) if your visa is revoked/expired because you lost your job and potentially upend/split your family some of whom would be citizens if they were born here

Or be deported out by ICE right after serving lengthy sentence despite living in the country your whole life , to a home country you don’t know and never even been.

Despite all the bad press and difficulties US has a better system than most other countries, however if you are unlucky US immigration can upend your life.

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This is a compeltely different topic now.

You're talking about people who were dragged into the US when they were children by their parents.

We were just talking about whether the US is particularly stringent when it comes to border inspections.

> Or be deported out by ICE right after serving lengthy sentence despite living in the country your whole life

Most countries would consider foreign citizens who serve lengthy prison sentences as unwanted visitors and would like very much to get rid of them as soon as possible.

I don't know of a country that welcomes such a thing. Do you know of one?

I don't think Svalbard (territory) imposes any sort of criminal background scrutiny before settlement.

I'm not sure if Vanuatu allows immigration for people who served time in Vanuatu but my understanding is they commonly "forget" to thoroughly check records when people pay the $130k or whatever it is for their passport-by-investment; Comoros was doing the same thing before they shut down their CIP program.

Most countries even emerging economies with poor human rights records have nowhere close to the insane incarceration rate that the U.S. has, so it is far lesser problem anywhere else.

You're yet again talking about a completely different topic. "Incarceration rate".

Politicians and public discourse sees it as related . Sanctuary city laws are specifically try to address this https://sf.gov/information/sanctuary-city-ordinance

Nobody is saying the fact we have incarceration rate is a different “topic “, we will not reform immigration policy to mitigate that.

These are real problems for real people , it doesn’t matter it is different topic, As a country we fail immigrants who come here

Does anyone know the rationale for why the laws are currently written this way?

The laws are made to make use of cheap and obedient foreign labor; and dispose of it when no longer needed.

It's not how the law is written, as I understand it. It is how it is implemented and that is up to the President, Director of Homeland Security and ICE. Applications used to be returned or clarified when they had been filled out incorrectly. Now they are perfunctorily denied, and the applicant has to file an appeal. This change was brought about by a change in executive policy. I cannot say for sure whether it was started under Obama or Trump, but I did hear that it caught immigration attorneys off-guard. For example, if there is no middle name, they are not supposed to leave it blank. But if they use the wrong magic word to fill the space or cross it out, the application is now denied.

Which way? That's how every country on earth operates. You are not a citizen of a country just because your parents dragged you there when you were young. In fact, the US is almost the only place on earth that grants birth-right citizenship (maybe Canada and Australia do as well?). All other countries think this is absurd.

Looking up Jus Soli, it's quite widespread in the Americas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

Definitely not a US only thing. Though does appear to be a New world thing.

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