The reason why you don’t see that much pollution in your country is that it has been outsourced to other countries with more lax pollution laws and less worker protection laws. This means that fabrication of an item produces more pollution than if it was built in your country (where there’s more regulation). And then there’s even more pollution due to the long transportation haul.
But you get a cheaper price tag. And your rivers are clean.
But think about these things when putting blame.
And studies have shown that only 15% of China's CO2 emissions are for the production of exports. That means that 85% of their CO2 emissions are for local production. [1]
Lastly, the amount of economic value the US and other advanced nations produce per unit of Co2 is much higher than China, which is one of the least efficient from Co2 to value. [2]
1. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-15883-9
2. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PP.GD?most_...
On the note of pharmaceuticals and India, there’s a stark difference. Indian manufacturers dumb literal tons on antibiotics and their byproducts into rivers, and no US pharma company does this at all.
https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/no-the-us-didnt-outsource-...
* It measures the CO2 it takes to constuct, but leaves (seems to leave out) the CO2 cost of transportation. When a TV has to travel around the world that cost isn’t trivial.
* The article focuses on CO2 exclusively. If a TV made in China produces about the same CO2 as one done on shore, all is good, even if the former involves (for example) dumping acid into a river, which would be illegal in the US. Even if we want to keep the discussion exclusively about climate change, other emissions must be taken into account. Methane for example is 50 times more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2.
* The whole part about it being “only” about 18% in the case of Europe (that’s a lot!) and that “it has not changed much in the last 30 years” (that makes it worse!)
The west is taking advantage of cheap labor in China and pushing all the externalities there. You're using a computer or smartphone that was presumably largely made in China to post this message.
To then turn around and say that climate change is entirely China's fault is absurd. You have to look at what countries are actually consuming the products leading to the emissions.
You're also conflating localized pollution with co2 emissions.
China consumes most of what they are making today. What do you think is happening? China is very different today than 20 years ago.
China: 328,480 Europe: 235,712
Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_European_Uni...
China also produces the majority of Solar PV Panels - https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/solar-pv-manu...
What is your point ?
The parent claim is that the developing world isn’t pulling their weight, which is an incredibly ignorant and frankly stupid take, considering any historical context.
Ignoring all that, per capita China has a long way to go to be anywhere near the top of the list for climate impact: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_...
They did SO gigantic a reforestation that it is visible from space.
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/144540/china-and-in...
> We keep blaming ourselves while underdeveloped and corrupt nations pollute virtually everything in the their management.
That literally sounds like supremacist, 'we are civilized' nonsense.
Those countries are literally the world's factories. Majority of the emissions of those countries belong to Western corporations. Except they are recorded as those countries emissions.
And the West arrogantly tries to sell them 'carbon credits' - another financial scam - have another country manufacture your products in sweatshops and have little emissions. Then make them buy 'carbon credits' from you.
From what I've seen, the vast majority of the emissions/pollution from China and India are byproducts of them supporting their own citizens. It's not all exports. It's not majority exports.
Just check how much of offshored manufacturing is in China...
Capitalism is the reason we have climate change: the environment is an externality that isn't priced in, and so it's treated as zero cost. Anybody who tries to incorporate that cost single-handledly will be at an economic disadvantage to somebody who doesn't, and capitalism will destroy the former and reward the latter.
That doesn't prescribe the solution, which is going to be a complex balance of millions of factors (both current and historical). Large, poor countries will have to play their parts, too.
But the lesson here is to identify what got us into this situation so that we can hope to find a way out. The free market caused it, and maybe it can be part of the solution -- but not unless there is also a non-free-market portion in which we all agree to stop treating the atmosphere as an infinite carbon sink.
It's only at that point that the real search for solutions can begin. But it's never going to happen while one country -- one of the largest carbon emitters both per-capita and collectively -- is unable to act because of enormous political influence from people who insist that it's a hoax.
Was there ever a point in human history where this was NOT the case?
Not sure if you're using the quote to imply that's the position of the chinese government, but their line is "Socialism with Chinese characteristics"[1], not capitalism.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_charact...
>Capitalism is the reason we have climate change: the environment is an externality that isn't priced in, and so it's treated as zero cost. Anybody who tries to incorporate that cost single-handledly will be at an economic disadvantage to somebody who doesn't, and capitalism will destroy the former and reward the latter.
How do you explain the communist regimes out there that also consume fossil fuels?
Build nuclear plants. No communism necessary.