The Tesla Robot was underwhelming. I appreciate the engineers on stage highlighting their work, but it all felt a generation behind Boston Dynamic’s efforts.
But any walking robot especially at that height and size is a significant engineering achievement.
And they have been working on it for months rather than years. And the system is entirely electric unlike Boston Dynamics.
The last demo was a person in a suit.
Your expectations were unrealistic if you are not impressed.
Same as Tesla's FSD and 100% vision based. Is it crude too? I thought it was state of the art…
You say this confidently, but it is nowhere close to true.
Nobody would first look at that and then want to get into a self driving car built by the same company.
There's some kind of mass delusion going on.
They seem to have a real issue actually shipping. Partly because Elon is incapable of understanding realistic timeframes.
It sure will be interesting to see where FSD & Teslabot is in a couple of years. The pace of innovation is extremely high at Tesla and should make you wonder what Boston Dynamics, Waymo and others have been up to for all these years.
How can you look at what they showed yesterday after the rest of the world has made things 109x more capable and conclude that they are innovators in the space?
Even the rando Chinese companies have done a better job cloning spot mini than this.
Just like million robo taxis in 2020 :-)
This was amazing by this with the short time it's been in development, and the vision for this project is beyond anything that has been done with humanoid robots. Sure they might fail, but it's an exciting venture to follow.
Are Model S owners making more money than they are paying in leases thanks to lending their cars as auto cabs like Elon promised they would by 2020?
Is hyper loop even a thing or just something Elon admitted was something he came up with to try and kill public transport alternatives?
The Boston Dynamics Robot is far more of a commercial reality than the CyberTruck if you really want to put things in context.
Why do people only ever compare Tesla efforts to Elon expecations.
How many other companies have cars driving around in pretty much every environment on north America? Their competitors have a totally different approach and limit themselves to a few fixed locations that they map out in extreme detail first.
If you take all self driving cars in the world and put them at random locations in the US and tell them to drive somewhere I don't think any company will do better much better then Tesla.
I'm not really a fan of self driving but just clowning Tesla for not reaching the goals set by Elon isn't really interesting or insightful.
> Is hyper loop even a thing or just something Elon admitted was something he came up with to try and kill public transport alternatives?
Hyper loop was never a product. Musk even explicitly stated that it wouldn't be a product anytime soon. He explicitly state they did some evaluation on it and would release an engineering blue paper. This was literally stated outright at the time.
I really don't get the logic 'I wont do X but I find X interesting' and the response a few years later is 'Fuck you, you promised to do X and it didn't happen'. Like that makes people sound insane.
And he never said it was to kill public transport. That was a single news article where a journalist took Musk words out of context to spin his own story.
And people who think California High Speed Rail is failing because of Musk is fucking delusional anyway.
> The Boston Dynamics Robot is far more of a commercial reality than the CyberTruck if you really want to put things in context.
That is totally absurd comparison that makes no sense and illustrates nothing.
Not really sure about the hyperloop / train thingy, need to read up more on it.
And BD's robot is not a commercial reality, how many have sold (if we're talking about Atlas and not the dog)? The Cybertruck will start production next year, sure it's behind initial time-schedule but it will be produced and sold in high numbers.
I actually think Tesla showed more than I expected.
At least we now start the rat race for robots.
Up and running android, big money, fast development.
This is also an electric motor robot vs pneumatic actuators from BD.
In most other places we are switching away from hydroponics because electronics are getting so advanced.
Electronic actuators is defiantly cheaper and simpler so for a consumer product its seems to be the right choice.
Excavators etc use hydrolics, presumably for a reason.
I suppose if you want dexterity? But then you'd lose load carrying?
But anyway it was just a general question. It doesn't seem self evident to me that electric motors are 'better' so I was just wanting someone to chime in and explain.
And it’s assuming that there’s actually a market for humanoid robots. Other than futurology folks getting excited about that form factor, there’s no real market for it, and research shows that humanoids robots are almost never a most optimal answer.
This seems like a nonsensical swing at Tesla. They have literally 100000s of people on the road with FSD in all of the US.
Claiming that its a few influences is just outright lying.
You are also totally wrong in your understanding of how Tesla FSD works. They are not mapping those areas, save those maps and make them available to other cars. That is explicitly not what they are doing.
More accurate to say that they are building a training set with the input from 100000s of cars driving around literally all over the US.
1. 160k people have bought and recieved FSD Beta at somewhere between $5 and $15k (today's price). Let's say an average of $8k, that means $1.28 billion. More have bought it but are waiting to get access.
2. FSD take rate is estimated as of now to be around 7% of vehicles sold world-wide. At the current price of $15k and the estimated 1.4 million vehicles sold this year, that amounts to $1.47 billion.
Numbers are rough estimates, 50% of revenue is held in reserve until FSD is out of beta, and many haven't received the beta yet, still by any measure they are making and will make billions. What you personally think of the product, or if you think Elon is a "snake oil salesman" is not really relevant.
To strong arm any counter argument, it's possible that all these buyers will realize it actually sucks/doesn't work, sue the company and the whole thing falls apart, but I don't see any indication of it. There are plenty of unhappy and happy customers with FSD, but they've clearly found something that people are willing to pay a lot for and many are happy with it. Clearly it needs to improve much further in order to sell this to the wider public beyond people who think it's fun to babysit an AI.
It's still crazy to me that people are paying all this money now for a product that still isn't delivering the promises of 5 years ago though.
The criticism of Tesla is always devoid of context of the rest of the car industry.
Like ignoring how poor your breakdown is over it making 'billions' they've been hit by wave after wave of bad PR. Like the various videos and lawsuits over how poor their quality control is and how many lies they've peddled over FSD.
There has been one "recall" of FSD, which was for including the option to do a rolling stop at stop signs. They fixed this with an OTA update at the request of NHTSA. Total cost: a few dollars
> Or the fact that there are lawsuits over how FSD doesn't work?
Show me the lawsuits that have been lost and how much the damages were
> Or any number of accidents caused by FSD being clearly buggy?
FSD requires supervision, as such accidents are currently the responsibility of the driver. Even so, besides minor accidents there haven't been any confirmed crashes or anyone being hurt yet. With 160k cars on the road you'd expect worse. And again, this doesn't affect how much money they've made in selling the software.
> Like the various videos and lawsuits over how poor their quality control
You mean the video created by Dan O'Dowd of Green Hill Software, a competitor in automated car software?
Your hate doesn't change the numbers. Maybe you're right and everything comes crashing down, who knows. But this is the current reality.
These are not contradictory statements.
Unfortunately he chose his intelligence to enrich himself by fooling others. He could have chosen other options. It looked like that was the direction he was going in. By trying to help people. But it’s clear at some point he realized he can make far more money claiming to do something than by actually doing something and decided to focus on that.
You make it sound like he's selling ads online or something, not building rockets and electric cars, self-driving software and now robots? Like, if you wanted to make as much money as possible and "fool" people as you say, doing a rocket company and a new car company at the same time, pouring all the $100m you earned from selling your previous company, being months from bankruptcy in both ventures seem like a very roundabout and stressful way of becoming a billionaire.
I don't understand where you people get your world view from, are you exclusively reading click-bait news headlines and coming to the conclusion that Elon=Bad? How about reading some actual accounts of the early days at SpaceX for example? I can recommend "Liftoff", it's very balanced, focuses mostly on the employees of SpaceX and doesn't try to paint Elon as some kind of heroic figure, but gives credit where it's due. He comes off as a highly technical, maniacal, single-minded founder, inspiring but working his staff to the bones, and sure, also has some darker sides to his personality. It's the kind of personality that's required to pull these things off.
You realize that makes no sense?
And while some of his lies are just to kill competition/extract money from the rich (like FSD), but some are just disgusting.
With neuralink he was openly telling people for few years that his implants will solve their health issues. Implants that killed most of the monkeys in the labs.
It’s disgusting to lie to people with really serious health conditions, give them false hope and likely have them reject other treatments, because Elon said he’ll fix them. You don’t think it’s a good reason to pour some hate at him?
He has invested mostly his own money in that.
Are you claiming there is no medical use what so ever for the technology they are developing?
Based on what knowlage do you make that claim?
> Implants that killed most of the monkeys in the labs.
What data is that based on?
> It’s disgusting to lie to people with really serious health conditions, give them false hope and likely have them reject other treatments, because Elon said he’ll fix them.
What? I have heard most of Neurolinks presentation and not a single time did Elon ever suggest that people just delay other treatments. Neurolink has clearly mostly done animal trials and product demonstrations.
I at least have never heard Musk claim that Neurolink would have a product on the market within a short time period.
Please provide sources for these claims?
Tesla is going for volume and just started.
Because it doesn’t.