Where this idea comes from I have no idea. Personally looking around in school itself it was plainly obvious this was all going in one ear and out the other for the majority of students even at the time. The better students retained it long enough to spew it out on the test but that was already above average performance. That doesn't mean there isn't still a certain amount of value in that in terms of what that knowledge may do to their brain during the brief period of time it is lodged in there. (I think there's a lot of value in just learning the "shape" of all this stuff, and perhaps having some index of what might be valuable to know.) But the idea that we can spend 15 minutes and a one-page homework assignment on something and expect that to last 60+ years is just nonsensical.
I mean, honestly, anyone over the age of 22 or so ought to be able to notice a distinctly sub-100% retention rate simply by looking inside themselves.
Yes, to a first approximation everyone with a normal education in the US has been present while some sort of trig was discussed. Not all of them, but still quite a lot of them, were present for the Taylor expansion discussion. The vast bulk of them have had it decay by 25, and there simply isn't anything to be done about that if you're talking about humans and not some homo educationous who mythically retain all knowledge they were exposed to even for 30 seconds just as the mythical as homo economicus perfectly rationally conducts all their economic business at all times. Perhaps they're actually the same species.
To me, even though I was barely out of high-school at the time, this was obviously absurd - expecting especially someone who wants to drop out of high-school early to retain any notion of organic chemistry taught in a school year, that they couldn't learn on the job if it was really required, seems so obviously nonsense that I couldn't help but laugh. Especially since the same thing was done to basically every other subject as well, with the same intentions.
One note: in my country, the curriculum is completely centralized; there is some small amount of choice, but it amounts to, at most, 1-2 classes per semester; everything else is fixed.
Yeah they belong to the genus homo mythicus
There’s just an absolute ton of math being taught that’s going completely to waste, and it’s at the expense of the humanities.
And then we learned a bunch of algorithms that spit out approximate answers to almost anything. And a bunch of ways to verify that the algorithm doesn’t have a bug and spat out an approximately correct answer. It was amazing.
But the most long-term useful math class (beyond arithmetic and percentages) has been the semester on probabilities and the semester on stats. I don’t remember the formulae anymore, but it gave me a great “feel” for thinking about the real world. We should be teaching that earlier.
The upper level Real Analysis made us bring some rigor as to what an interval on the real line actually meant going from raw points and sets to topological spaces to metric spaces, then compactness, continuity, etc. all with fun and crazy counterexamples.
People love to hate on their school curriculum and all the useless knowledge they had to acquire but I'm positive it makes you a smarter person overall, and the body of high school knowledge makes learning more specialized knowledge easier (even if that's baking bread or whatever)
(People also love to talk about how little they remember from school, yes the brain is a muscle and you stopped working out, congratulations.)
Came to use trig functions quite frequently while playing video games, and that was a big surprise to me. Not to assume you've played it, but I've recently discovered that Stormworks is a programmer's game - you can write microcontroller code in LUA for your vehicle designs. And, wow, does it ever use my trig knowledge everywhere.
Realized the transponder beeps can be triangulated, tick being 1/60th of a sec and that's a distance estimate resolution of up to 5-10 km. And that's when cos and sin came back to be useful because you can do intersection of circles and figure out where to do a sea rescue more precisely. So video games, trig. Who would've thought?
And I even remember what it means:
SOS: sine = opposing side divided by diagonal (schuine) side
CAS: cosine = adjacent divided by diagonal
TOA: tan = opposing divided by adjacent.
I don't think I've ever used it for anything practical, but I can still reproduce it after all this time (I'm 47 now).
Just the other day I wanted to compute viewing angle and did it by hand even though there are plenty of calculators like this out there:
http://www.hometheaterengineering.com/viewingdistancecalcula...
I’d say I use it for something practical/random like that a few times a year?
Another example was placing some ceiling speakers whose tweeters had a 15° angle so that they were pointed directly at a seating position below. How far did I need to place them in front of the seating position from directly overhead.
I would guess any sort of construction you’re using it fairly often.
What I remember from trig is to draw a unit circle. Most of the rest falls out of that.
Statistics is also useful and applicable to everyday life, but I didn’t learn that till college as best I can recall.
I don’t regret having spent time learning calc, or physics or chemistry or biology for that matter. If you asked me to come up with a curriculum I’d have a really hard time prioritizing. Maybe the one thing I’d like to see kids learn better is how to be self-directed learners. I’m still fairly surprised at the number of colleagues I have who seem unable to problem solve and figure something the fuck out. Even knowing when and how to ask for help.
Perpendicular/hypotanuse = Sin
Base / Hypotanuse: CoSin
Perpendicular / Base: Tan
edit: try to fix the HN god awful formatting
Sine: Opposite over Hypotenuse
Cosine: Adjacent over Hypotenuse
Tangent: Opposite over Adjacent
There are even other bits that I was shown, never incorporated into my brain at all, but later recognized as truly important (Taylor series expansions, the central limit theorem, the prime number theorem, etc).
I do recall taking a "probability in CS" as an electrical engineering student -- it was pretty mind-blowing to me the extent to which the CS students did not like to talk about any continuous math. It makes sense, though, these are different specialties after all.