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The fact that Kiwifarms have won every suit against them is an example of the legal systems failings. Organizing mass harassment should be illegal.

It shouldn't be up to harassed individuals to seek justice, prosecutors should be able to go after them. If the issue is with the law itself, the government needs to effectively legislate.

>The fact that Kiwifarms have won every suit against them is an example of the legal systems failings.

Is this "I don't like the rulings of the court." or "The rulings of the court fly in utter defiance of legal evidence presented."?

Because if it is the former, you are the actual part of the real problem.

Winning in court every single time is a pretty strong argument that they aren't breaking the law even if they are disagreeable.

Kiwifarms legal opponents aren't celebrities, or politicians, or even ordinary people. They are some of the most vulnerable individuals in society. If I had to be sued by somebody I would pick someone living with severe mental health issues every single time.

I'm not arguing that the court should ignore the law and rule otherwise, I'm arguing that the law itself should be changed.

Something can be both legal and ethically wrong. You can apply your same reasoning to Cloudflare's censorship of Kiwifarms: nothing Cloudflare did in this case was illegal, so what is your issue with it?

This is simply not accurate. There are countless threads on politicians, media personalities, business people and others.

Just because the site started with Chris Chan (an individual with his own issues) doesn’t mean that similar individuals are the site’s only purview.

>I'm not arguing that the court should ignore the law and rule otherwise, I'm arguing that the law itself should be changed.

So long as you're arguing that instead of "tHe CoUrTs ArE nAzIs", then I have nothing else to add because I'm in full agreement with your sentiment concerning law.

>nothing Cloudflare did in this case was illegal, so what is your issue with it?

Of course; Cloudflare has a right to freedom of association and fundamentally I support whatever they choose to do, legally speaking.

However, there is a consequential problem in that the internet is becoming more and more centralized by the day and Cloudflare access is one of those facets.

Generally speaking, if you're a big website you either need Cloudflare or your own CDN to distribute the load and ward off hostile entities.

Consequently, Cloudflare is able to dictate a significant portion of the discourse on the internet by simply allowing or blocking their services. This wouldn't be a big deal if the internet was decentralized like it should be, but it isn't so the internet can't route around such nonsense anymore.

> The fact that they were found not guilty of crimes is proof that they're guilty of crimes as well as that the legal system is complicit.

Do you have sources for Byuu/Near spotted alive? First I’ve heard of it.

That’s from two personal friends who are both extremely active in the emulation scene. Feel free to discount it - when the site’s back up, I’ll grab the screens of users in Hector’s streams that use the same exact eccentric writing style Byuu/Near did. (Archive.ph is too stale to have it.)

He should be on this list: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-tra... But there’s nothing.

https://jp.usembassy.gov/services/death-of-a-u-s-citizen/ Nobody was ever able to get any of the documentation listed on this page from the Japanese side, even family, and the Japanese continually report they have no record of the death. There are also no “blotter” style documents in Japan or the USA documenting his death.

I’m willing to be proven wrong - and accept others will not believe what is hearsay to them - but as someone who has been involved in emulation for years my Bayesian prior is extremely, strongly on the side of him being alive.

>Nobody was ever able to get any of the documentation listed on this page from the Japanese side, even family

Do you mean the allegedly-deceased person's family has been unable to confirm their death with the government? This seems like a significant fact I have not seen reported. Do you have a link for this claim?

> when the site’s back up, I’ll grab the screens of users in Hector’s streams that use the same exact eccentric writing style Byuu/Near did.

That's more than a bit creepy. Please reconsider the lengths you're willing to go to to win this internet argument.

You are oddly well-informed on the subject of trans people who are victims of organized doxxing and harassment.

Why is that, [redacted]?

You can't bring in someone's personal details like that in an HN thread, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. I've redacted them now.

You did this repeatedly, which is a serious abuse. I'm not going to ban you for it because this entire thread was so hellish, but please don't do anything like this again.

Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html? You've been breaking the rules badly, unfortunately—not just in this thread. We've had to ask you this several times.

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