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How is this censorship? They are a company and can do business with whoever they please. They are drawing the line at imminent threats to human life. The site has already led to the deaths of multiple people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms#Suicides_of_harassm...

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Somehow it's Freedom when a company refuses to make a cake for a gay couple, but Tyranny if a company providing hosting and DDOS protection services decide not to work with a company who explicitly violates their terms of service.

Edit: ignore me, I mistakenly swapped the subjects when reading the comment and misunderstood what they were saying.

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One is denying service based on a protected class , the other is denying service based on a risk of violence.

How can you consider them equivalent?

I'm not saying they are equivalent. I'm saying that all the people screaming that this is tyranny hold very different views on denying other people services based on a protected class. I'm pointing out how silly it is to be okay with a baker refusing gay customers but thinking this is the end of freedom on the internet.

Edit: never mind I totally misread the initial comment and swapped the two subjects. Ignore me

How is that not holding them as equivalent for the purposes of your argument?

The subject of both is a business denying service. The difference is the motivation for denying the service. The folks who complain the most about denying services to bigots and trolls who violate terms of service are completely okay about denying service based off of innate characteristics. I'm not suggesting that if you support one you need to support the other, rather that it's very curious which things these people most vocally support and which things are unacceptable to them. Just like you'll literally never find them defending leftists who get kicked off of these services either.

The larger point is that I don't think these folks are being honest in their defense and that they are defending sites like KF specifically because of the type of people who are being "censored" and not because of fundamental principles. Conservatives get banned from Twitter? "THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS AND CENSORSHIP!" Leftists get banned from Twitter? Not a fucking peep.

Ah my bad , I totally misread your initial comment because I swapped the two subjects. I’ll go back and edit my comments to mention that.

>The site has already led to the deaths of multiple people

So has Instagram (by far!), FB, Discord, Twitter and site or program where people can type.

The difference is kiwifarms was built to harass people; those other platforms were not.

Kiwifarms deserve no love, but this argument doesn't add up the slightest. Instagram was founded to make money from its users, so why would I allow it to operate if people kill themselves because of the peer pressure displayed in such social networks?

The peer pressure isn't the stated goal of Instagram.

Doxxing and harassment are the stated goals of KF.

Is it really so hard to understand that it is still censorship even if it is legal?

There is censorship even if there are no Romans anymore. It is a concept, not a very complex one at that. A bit of abstraction is the daily bread of many users probably...

>How is this censorship? They are a company and can do business with whoever they please.

Just because a private company does it, doesn't mean it isn't censorship. Of course, you may argue that it's in a good cause, but nonetheless, it's still censorship.

I feel XKCD 1357 has greatly contributed to the degradation of the discourse on this topic. The concept of free speech is not synonymous with the legal protections provided by American law.

Imminent? How did they decide?

the actual deaths in this post have nothing to do with kiwifarms and the one that did (Near) was disproven to have even happened in the firstp lace

When/where was it disproven that Near died?

when there were no reported suicides for foreign nationals in the month that it was claimed he died?

As posted elsewhere in this thread: https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1565311737553100800

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-tra...

June 27th, 2021, in Japan

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