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It is one of the biggest conflict since World War II with as many as 10,000 Ukrainian civilians killed, the same amount of soldiers. While indiscriminately killing, raping, torturing and kidnapping people Russia have lost at least 20,000 soldiers. These are conservative estimates.

Russia is committing the gravest crimes in Ukraine. It already sent and keeps sending tens of thousands of young men to their early grave, for absolutely nothing. Hundreds of thousands of people either dead, wounded or traumatized, for absolutely nothing. The future of millions is being pissed away, for absolutely nothing.

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War is terrible, i agree, we seen it when the US killed and raped civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq

But you only describe the effect of war, not the cause of that particular event

Let me educate you a little bit, the US lied to the world, they promised they'd never expend NATO in Europe, they want Ukraine to join NATO and become the N'th american military base, Russia went ahead and made sure it wouldn't happen since Ukraine, the most corrupt country in Europe [1], went silence radio

Should i remind you who is Zelenskyy, or you already know?

[1] - https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/04/welcome-to-the-...

Go away cucurbitaceous troll. Gorbaciov himself said there was no such promise.

Why would i go away, it's warm over here, i can feel the heat, it's building up, the end is near, everything will be okay

> Let me educate you a little bit, the US lied to the world, they promised they'd never expend NATO in Europe, they want Ukraine to join NATO and become the N'th american military base, Russia went ahead and made sure it wouldn't happen since Ukraine, the most corrupt country in Europe [1], went silence radio

This is not true and even the Russian prime minister at the time has said so, but regardless what does NATO have to do with Ukraine? Ukraine is not in NATO and was years even decades away from even potentially joining.

And even if Ukraine was joining NATO it doesn't excuse Russias genocide of Ukrainians nor it was flagrant war crimes in Ukraine.

And it's not like that (non existent) promise mattered anyway, because Sweden and Finland have both joined NATO with no invasion.

Perhaps the invasion is more related to the oil and gas fields discovered in Ukraine that would threaten Russias hold on the European market?.

You're just repeating Russian talking points. None of what you said is actually true. Russia was part of the signatories (basically they were asked if they were ok, and they OK'd it) for the formation of NATO, and that agreement didn't have any clauses on expansion. This is a fact in writing that anyone can verify. Did you know this?

As a separate matter, Putin claims Russia was promised NATO would not expand. There's two problems with this story. First is, does anyone believe that a smart guy like Putin would just take a verbal promise and not get it in writing? I wouldn't take verbal promises if I was just buying a car, let alone deciding on the future of my country. Second problem is that Gorbachev who was actually physically present, said that no such promise was ever made to Russia.

So stop spreading lies.

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