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This isn't collective organizing though.

collective organizing allows management and labor to come to the same table and hammer out a broad agreement based on both perspectives' priorities.

If remote working was a point on the collective organizing table then management would be able to request mitigating actions to compensate for whatever they felt was lost because of WFH.

This, on the other hand, is a single issue action, which involves no bargaining and places demands from 1 side without a corresponding opportunity to mitigate negative effects.

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I'm not familiar with a definition of collective organizing that requires the conditions you describe, however I am fine with working with your definition.

My comment (rather sarcastically) alludes to the fact that Apple employees are coming together and making a demand. It surprises me how many people will immediately shill for the employer's position and act shocked that employees would collectively ask for something. "Can't they just go work somewhere else?"

> If remote working was a point on the collective organizing table then management would be able to request mitigating actions to compensate for whatever they felt was lost because of WFH.

What you are missing is that there does not seem to be a "collective organizing table" that you speak of at Apple. An edict from above comes in saying staff need to return to office. Apple execs did not "request mitigating actions" they demanded it.

> This, on the other hand, is a single issue action, which involves no bargaining and places demands from 1 side without a corresponding opportunity to mitigate negative effects.

Any bargaining starts with needs and wants from both sides. Apple has made their demand to the employees telling them to return to office. Some employees are trying to organise to put forward a counter-demand. Apple execs could respond to said petition with an offer to come to the same table and negotiate, but it does not seem like they are at that stage yet.

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