dhuck, let me clarify. what i am looking for is a clear path to that level of an exit without a company needing to spend more than $1-$2 million. this means getting customer traction, market validation, and revenue momentum. However, I acknowledge that some businesses require a B round to get there. I don't view this as a problem. What i do view as a problem is needing $5-$10 million before you can say "this is a viable business with an attractive exit opportunity." thanks for raising the point. roger