This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. America's future is at stake and we won't wake up until it's too late.
You would like Apple to... stop importing parts from Taiwan to China? That doesn't seem right, it would hurt Taiwan. Stop manufacturing in China? That's... ambitious. Ignore the situation and just accept assembly lines being halted because of lack of parts stopped at border? Other?
I don't totally see how America's future is at stake requiring current escalations to challenges to China's long-standing statement that Taiwan is part of china. You think America may cease to exist unless the government chooses right now to change their policy and refuse to let China maintain this fiction? And that private corporations start challenging it too even before the government does? Or else America may cease to exist?
Just curious, I would like to learn more about what you're looking for here. I'm curious if you are hoping for a shooting war between the US and China, if you think that would be good for "America's future"?
Apple's profit margins are so high that they'd probably still be positive even if they did this without raising prices at all. (Remember nobody's saying they should have to move manufacturing to the US. There are plenty of countries with low labor costs that are less evil than China.)
This is also something they are already in the process of doing. They have been significantly ramping up manufacturing in Vietnam and India.
To be fair, it's not fair to use this as an occasion for Apple bashing or America bashing.
The whole Taiwan thing goes much deeper. For example, if you look at ISO3166, the country code standard.
If you look up Taiwan in ISO3166[1], you will see it listed as "Taiwan (Province of China)".
So, if a supposedly neutral international body sees it fit to maintain the link, then what hope have you got for individual countries or their companies ?
N.B. The UN does the same [2]
[1]https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:code:3166:TW [2]https://service.unece.org/trade/locode/tw.htm
Taiwan is not a member, and been intentionally and continuously excluded.
The body was most certainly not neutral.
One option is of course to say that nobody should be neutral in the conflict between China and Taiwan, but the obvious objection is that Taiwan does not want this. Taiwan's economic links with the mainland are enormous and it's absolutely routine for Taiwanese businesses to export to China or do business in China under Chinese regulations. (For example, you may be familiar with Foxconn, a Taiwanese company with over a million Chinese employees.)
Of course, you and I know that China is wrong and Taiwan really is an independent country! But that doesn't mean it's neutral to say so.
China does need to be “satisfied” for it to be neutral.
Please. It’s 2022 and the China buildup was funded by the American consumer over the past 3 decades.
It’s already too late but it’s easy to criticize companies that gave us they cheaper products we so desired by offshoring
This is kind of silly to blame average people on the street for buying something cheaper that shows up in their local stores. This is all on the government (both parties), and large corporations for pushing this. People didn't "want" NAFTA, slave labor, etc.
Of all the fights Apple can choose to pick, it seems like this one just isn’t worth it. Much better they pick fights about police having the ability to unlock phones or something.
Choose your battles. Let some shoe company pick that battle or something…
In my view, China acts abusively in many ways. And the country is currently important to modern global manufacturing.
In my understanding changing where a physical product company manufactures everything is horrifically difficult.
Apple very discretely talks about the ethical standards that it adheres to:
https://www.apple.com/compliance/policies/#:~:text=Apple%20t....
Yes, but if any company has the money and the power to make those changes happen, it's Apple.
Yeah I agree.
I don't think Apple is overtly advertising any morality in it's policies.
I think that's something that we have to do as shareholders of Apple. Shareholders and customers. We have to say, "Hey we don't like how your company is from our moral perspective. Please change your policies so that they conform to our morality."
Not really. Pretty much every iPhone sold everywhere is manufactured in China, and they all use chips from Taiwan.
There is no Apple without China. Hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals, working in Chinese-jurisdiction factories, produce Apple's products. Without the full consent and cooperation of the Chinese government, there are no Apple products. Full stop.
~100% of Apple's manufacturing depends on China continuing to permit hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals in Chinese factories (Foxconn's plants in Zhengzhou and elsewhere) building Apple products.
I'm not sure what you mean by "knuckle under" in this context, but Apple is, today, wholly dependent upon Taiwanese and Chinese manufacturing (for chips, and assembly, respectively).
If there is a war between China and Taiwan, or China and the US, Apple stands to lose the most of any single organization, I think.
Would that be true based on market cap? Cause I’m sure countless auto manufacturers, airplane manufacturers, elevator manufacturers, consumer goods manufacturers, and god knows what else would be equally fucked. But by market cap none of them would be as fucked as Apple.
Hmmm. Weird…
Even if the US wins a war over Taiwan, it'd probably take a long time to resolve, and trade would be disrupted for long enough that nothing is getting off the island until peace is re-established. Right now, if nothing changes with the US-China trajectory, war is coming. If the trajectory changes, that might change.
What we have today is working fine.