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>Poland and Ukraine pay between $22,000 and $23,000 per year

Good luck finding a developer in Eastern Europe with more than 2 years of experience willing to work for 23 thousand a year. And if that's a gross number (as I suspect it's supposed to be) - good luck finding anyone with even 1 year of experience.

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The same article said the US average was $110k, which in many markets won't even hire a junior.

That’s the median according to the BLS. In some US markets, $110k will get you a very experienced dev. Cost of living is wildly different in a midwest suburb vs the northeast corridor or the Bay Area.

What’s that work out to with inflation?

You have to know what numbers these are. It's not uncommon that people use net pay numbers in Europe. I've seen OECD and UN papers comparing net in one country with gross in another. There might even be that to compare with US pays, you have to use a third number - employer's expenses, because some taxes are paid directly by employer in some countries.

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4yrs, currently doin .NET in hardware/semiconductors industry company

Exactly, monthly salary of anyone worth their salt starts at 15k PLN which is 38k USD annually.

E.g. for back-end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrTAuTXW_r0&list=PLZmMLJ6Fj9...

(UoP is normal employment contract, B2B is sole proprietorship company i.e. "tax optimization" gov't is afraid to close down)

You can find in Italy for sure. I just found lot of offer on Linkedin for Junior developer at 25k€/years.

> I just found lot of offer on Linkedin for Junior developer at 25k€/years.

Perhaps the reason there's lots offers for that kind of money is because no-one is willing to take the jobs at that rate?

I don't think so, it's a standard rate, we have low salaries. Anyway, one of the problems about our job market is that the cost to the company is very high. If you get 25k/year, the company have to pay around 50k/year.

$23k is roughly how much my junior data scientist relative makes here in Poland.

No idea where they got that number from.

The figures in the article are indeed complete baloney. A competent Cloud SRE right now offshore in $(not quite Ukraine) is billing about 500 per day, and we are happy.

Exactly. Reasonable quality starts at $50K and if someone is really good you probably want to pay them more so they'll stay.

Looking for one?

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