> confiscation of their property and land
Which is how they got it too, so at the very least I would be careful about using that as justification.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Haiti#Spanish_histo...
"Following the arrival of Europeans, La Hispaniola's indigenous Taino population suffered greatly to near extinction, in possibly the worst case of depopulation in the Americas."
I don't think that just because it's different people now on both sides makes it possible to use such actions to argue from a moral high ground, the power difference and who oppressed whom remained in place even though the peoples changed.
It was not smart or good for Dessalines to massacre the 4000 or so whites that he did, but that act is so minor in comparison with the horror that the French visited on Haiti for 100 years that it's barely worth talking about.
Seriously?
So, name your country if you've done such deeds, but keep mine out of it.
Really weird hill you've chosen to take offense and die on. But sure, a subset of European nations try to dominate others through violence.
And your country is in that set.
My response is trying to poke a hole in what Glawen said to deflect.
I don't think it is whataboutism when it is relevant. I think it should have been considered in the initial argument, the one I replied to, to begin with.
The "genocide of its white population and confiscation of their property and land." - from the comment I replied to - was preceded by terrible atrocities by the people then in power against those who revolted (also see the comment from ambrozk). I think that is relevant to the discussion. Whataboutism brings in stuff that is not relevant and unrelated, to distract. I think I'm still right inside the same topic, one leading to the other.
> France demanding a 150 million franc indemnity to be paid by Haiti in claims over property – including Haitian slaves
It seems to be the "Godwin's Law" of political discussion. At some point it always goes back to might making right.
... Apologies if that was your [ought to be obvious but these days sure af isn't] point.
You ever ask them how many wars they fought?
It’s one thing to champion might is right, it’s another to draw a line in the sand once the slaves revolt and overthrow the slave masters.
Observe the colonial/imperial mindset - gun-trotting French sail to the Caribbean and steal land from Taino Indians, and kidnap and enslave Africans to do the work. Then back home, the king is guillotined and eventually even Danton is guillotined. The enslaved Africans eventually rebel against the slave masters, and they get into a sanctimonious huff about how "their land" was confiscated.
If you look on individual level, then it is clear that person A cannot just stole property from person B and defend that by the fact that great-grandfather of person B stole it from person C.