Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Some people today want the glory of abolitionist revolution without having to pay with their own blood.
Yeah, maybe you can make an argument that the justice system can work differently in one way or another with diff tradeoffs, but if you set up the argument so that you’re in a morally superior position to the people who fought and died in the civil war to end slavery, you should expect and you definitely deserve very strong opposition.
Or maybe we should figure out what we want to do by argument and consensus, instead of blindly following the old colonialists and ex-fascists in Europe?
You do. USA is a world leader in killing criminals. Only China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt kill more per year.
> Or maybe we should figure out what we want to do by argument and consensus, instead of blindly following the old colonialists and ex-fascists in Europe?
You don't do that. You blindly follow some 20yr old colonials who scribbled out a constitution 200 years ago.
So you're saying we could do better I guess.
> You don't do that. You blindly follow some 20yr old colonials > who scribbled out a constitution 200 years ago.
I guess, but maybe better to follow 20 year old colonials who wrote a constitution 200 years ago than to blindly follow inbred royal families with even poorer claims to power? I mean, as long as we're just throwing insults at this point, you have to see that Europe is at least as ridiculous (and at least when it comes to politics, arguably much worse).