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I'm really sad that this sort of attitude is common in Hacker News. I am not a huge fan of JS, but what I hate about this is not that it's critical of JS, but that it's clearly just a knee-jerk cynical reaction. This framework in question is not doing what PHP/Ruby frameworks were doing. Whether what it's doing is a good idea or not is neither here nor there, it's just simply that you aren't understanding what it is that it's doing, and yet still criticizing it as if you do.

We don't need this circus every time a new JS thing is released.

The fact that you think it’s materially different is amusing. The only “magic” here is injecting JS shims to handle bidirectional syncs for certain components (“islands” in their parlance). That is also something we’ve had for a very long time, though admittedly it was kludgy as hell two decades ago (ajax polling, SSE, long-polling, comet, etc).

Early PHP and Ruby frameworks don't provide anything to help you write client side interactive code, so you are on your own there, and you have to bring your own tools to do this.

Yeah, I remember how I used to have my users manually dll inject a plugin into Internet Explorer so I could make the buttons go brrr.

I always wished there was something convenient, like an html tag that made it easier to add interactivity, but I never found it.

I can’t believe we got anything done back in those days.

Take me down with the ship too, this cracked me up.

Did Ruby run on CDNs? Didn’t think so. That’s what “on the edge” means.

Well, we didn’t have CDN’s, but we did have geolocated servers. And yeah, we’d run Ruby on ‘em sometimes.

If it's in this direction, at least add jquery.

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