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FWIW - all of the prices listed on sso.tax look to me like reasonable amounts for anything that can call itself a business in the western Europe or the US.

One can view it as the SSO-enabled offering being a product, and the SSO-less option being a demo. Which, let’s be fair, it really is.

So, would you advocate the removal of the SSO-less trial discount ?

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The issue isn't so much that one single separate service is priced in a certain way. When you add up dozens and dozens of services for various split needs for the business, and each one of them has a $/user/month thing and then to build decent security into it all, you double or triple that amount per service. It adds up, very quickly.

For the good of the Internet, the security of the global entirety of things, it is very very wise if everyone makes an attempt to make the defaults sane and secure, including things like this. It surely is a differentiator between "individual" and "business", but it shouldn't have to be. I agree wholehartedly with the sso.tax site that it's just one way for business to attempt to make revenue out of a basic need that any modern company would have.

Make the profit of real value added services for enterprises, automation, integrations, support, advanced features that gives insights or saves money or whatever; but don't be sneaky with the security aspect, is basically what I'm saying.

Compare it with streaming services. No one can argue against Netflix being particularly expensive. Anyone can afford it. It's just one latte per month. But when you not only want to consume what is on Netflix, you have to get another service, and another, and another, and another. Very very soon the aggregated cost starts to be very noticeable for a lot of people. And piracy makes a comeback.

If your users are paid the US federal minimum wage of $7.25 and working 40 hours a week, every user is already costing the business $1160/user/month.

And I very much doubt the typical ZeroTier user is earning minimum wage.

ZeroTier's SSO costs $5/user/month.

Why do so many people in tech expect to earn $$$$$$ themselves, yet expect their peers to work for nothing?

once again: simply treat “with SSO” as the primary product offering(s) and prioritize which services you can afford.

Yes, I would advocate the removal of the SSO-less trial discount. Rationale: most of these "trials" are otherwise fully capable and lend themselves very well to becoming long-term ways of doing things. "Nothing is more definitive than the temporary."

Or, to view it from a different angle - SSO is not a/the feature that should be removed to make it the "trial".

And from yet another angle: you could consider removing (or not offering) SSO similar to selling a car without seat belts (ignoring aspects of legality). It's not a problem until it is. But if you want the seat belts to be effective, you need to always have and use them from minute zero.

> western Europe or the US.

Why would we care about anyone not in the richest countries. It's not like they need security by default to not become another botnet and DDoS Europe or US businesses.

I would like to see you justify paying sso.tax to business owner in countries where sysadmin is payed less than those services ask in a month

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