Senate Bill S6486D Establishes a moratorium on cryptocurrency mining
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> Section 2 places a moratorium on air permit issuance and renewal for an electric generating facility that utilizes a carbon-based fuel and that provides, in whole or in part, behind-the-meter electric energy consumed or utilized by cryptocurrency mining operations that use proof-of-work authentication methods to validate blockchain transactions.
I don't appreciate the government letting me buy things and then informing me I'm using them wrong. If they feel there is some negative externality associated with the good I'm buying then they should mitigate it there, not based on some holier-than-thou judgement about whether not not I'm applying it right.
This reminds me strongly of a house I once rented that had in the rental contract that the rental agency was allowed to "monitor my electricity use" so they could "give me advice on better spending" if I fell out of some undefined norm. Simply uncalled for.
Government does that all the time. You pay for water from the water utility, but they also have restrictions on lawn watering during droughts. You can buy a car, but there are restrictions on who can drive it and under what circumstances. You can buy alcohol, but there are restrictions on when you can drink (drinking and driving, open container laws).
So when the externalities of energy increase, prioritizing (or penalizing) specific uses is (a) straight-forward and (b) not a novel phenomenon.
Is this really true in practice? I don’t live in the US, but there were some threads about quite the opposite happening in California: government regulating availability of water in households while raising prices, and at the same time making water cheaply available and wasting for almond production in a desert.
In the end, you can look at the tradeoffs to try and infer regulatory agencies' priorities. As far as I read, the californian approach does indeed favor agricultural use. At the same time, it is obviously a good idea to limit unnecessary consumer use (lawns, albeit a small share of overall water consumption).
That said, imagine there was a drinking water shortage in LA. I guess the policy would change rapidly. So it's a question of the associated costs, and the costs of civil unrest are high.
Of course, the US is such a political disaster right now that a lot of really fundamental and trivial societal issues are negotiated through high-stakes (and sometimes violent) confrontations rather than through civilized political means. Woe to thee o land whose electorate is so spiteful.
In the current case gas prices are high anyways, and Bitcoin miners are dynamic resources in containers that can move easily, so I guess they will just create another wave of demand for solar panel + battery pack installations (just like Blockstream did with Tesla solar+batteries, and what's going on in Texas in the last few years with solar overprovisioning). I'm in favor of this law, just not the title.
One additional factor to consider is the time frame of regulation / market reactions: In some cases catastrophic short-term events may harm people. Even though market reactions would offer medium-term solutions, that may still be a case in favor of regulation.
But we're approaching a textbook-length argument here and I'm not really an expert on infrastructure regulation, so I'll leave it at this :)
Land, for example, has always been a limited resource and has always(*) been subject to heavy regulation.
Why?
We regulate luxuries differently from productive activities. It makes sense to do similarly for crypto. Energy generation is massively publicly supported.
Crypto can be produced abroad and traded here; burning our backyards to produce literally nothing is madness.
> Section 2 places a moratorium on air permit issuance and renewal for an electric generating facility that utilizes a carbon-based fuel and that provides, in whole or in part, behind-the-meter electric energy consumed or utilized by cryptocurrency mining operations that use proof-of-work authentication methods to validate blockchain transactions.
We can’t ban gasoline and electricity or tax it to oblivion because that’s a better way of reducing waste of electricity in incandescent bulbs.
> We must determine whether the growth of Proof-of-Work authentication cryptocurrency mining companies that operate their own electric generat- ing facilities and produce energy by burning fossil fuels is incompat- ible with our greenhouse gas emission targets established in law.
Please cite specific, real-world examples if possible, not vague ideas and promises that haven't come to fruition yet.
If we establish, through regulations, subsidies and taxes, a situation where it is always cheaper to use green energy; Crypto would bring nothing but massive investment in green energy development.
Even if we get to a point where we can power crypto purely with green energy - that might still mean that not enough green energy is available to power other, potentially more important use cases.
There is really no other way to fix this.
There's limited amount of space for solar panels, wind turbines and hydroelectric power plants.
Even if we were to achieve fusion, we'd be limited by e = mc^2, where m is limited within a radius that is reachable without losing energy on transport.
You can't fix a physics problem with market ideology.
And i think you are being unfair conflating the current energy shortage with a hard limit that the human race may never reach. The current energy shortage might have been averted if the investment from industries like crypto, was invested in renewables..
Off grid mining finds stranded energy which stops methane being flared directly into the atmosphere and converts most of it to CO2, which is factually better than any amount of CH4 being released.
By making stranded energy viable PoW actually allows green energy production to be built where existing demand cannot make it economically viable.
I think it's a question of mentality. Some people bet on human ingenuity, and some are willing to halt the progress completely because it hurts "mother earth" in their imagination.
If we do end up in the "age of cheap, green and almost limitless energy", we can use some for crypto, why not. But we're not there yet and I'd rather not put the cart before the horse, given how important an issue energy and climate are.
Your way of accusing sceptics of being in the way of "progress" recalls the promises of soviet planners or various cults. Beware of vague salvation promises in the future - utopian fantasies usually have dystopian outcomes.
Your tone is also similar to that of the stereotypical 14-year old "libertarian/ancap" living in their parents' basement, and your only other comment on this site outside this thread is one from over 6 years ago accusing the Washington Post of publishing fake news. This doesn't affect the truth or validity of what you say, but it doesn't help, either.
It also doesn't help his case that the Levenshtein Distance from "troorl" to "troll" is only 2.
After fourteen years of running this experiment, Bitcoin (and other cryptocurrencies) have not yet delivered a single real world application that would be beneficial to the society at large - as far as I know.
I can't help wondering if some of the advocates, who continue to defend these technologies, own themselves cryptocurrencies and have a personal profit motive in glorifying/hyping the technology - for example by hinting that cryptocurrencies would have solved "countless wars and atrocities of the past 100 years".
If it's coming so soon, then how about you immediately stop burning coal and shilling ugly ape jpegs for a while, until all your utopian libertarian promises are finally fulfilled and free of unintended consequences.
But until such a time, just put a lid on it, m'kay?
Being environmentally-conscious is about reducing carbon footprint with smarter processes, not reverting to older ways for the sake of cutting electricity consumption. That was an unfortunate fallacy.
Money and government should be separated, otherwise it provides the government with wrong incentives.
But they will lose that hegemony. It happened to the denarii, it will happen to the dollar. The question is - what would be best suited to replace it? Our contenders are the Euro, the Yuen or Bitcoin.
Seems an obvious choice.
However, when miners concentrate in one place the energy usage is certainly noticeable. This bill is for the New York senate. Banning mining from using more than 1% of the grid energy in their location would make sense. Better might be to require mining to shutdown during peak energy usage. At peak energy becomes the scarcest and fixed rate users may be subsidized. It is also usually the dirtiest at peak due to peaker plants coming online.
Edit: others are saying this bill ends miners from operating non renewable power plants- that also makes sense.
A tenth of a percent is definitely not a rounding error of global energy usage. It's equivalent to the consumption of 8 million people. Would you call New York City a rounding error?
That's not very useful comparison. How does it stack up against payment systems' energy consumption?
PoW mining energy consumption is massively exaggerated. Christmas lights alone use more energy than the entire Bitcoin network.
This argument significantly detracts from your credibility. Were there no wars during the millennia we were on commodity money?
I find it highly unlikely. I mean, if you exclude all other energy that is used for all the other things built on top of it, then maybe. And I'm unsure of even that.
Fair comparison, judging by your post, seems to be to compare bitcoin to fed wire energy consumption which I would think is using less energy than bitcoin today.
Schrödinger's Panacea: measure a problem with sufficient inaccuracy and any arbitrary contribution can be disregarded.
The local community feels that it adds no jobs and produces a lot of pollution, and the Senate Bill is trying to stop this.
Seem to be about asking if it's really ok to waste non renewable energy on this versus facilities that use "cleaner" approach. It also imply crypto mining create value which got me a good laugh.
This "cryptocurrency causes global warming" is a nice story for the gullible.
Proof of work is not used for validation of transactions at all. It is used for ordering transactions / solving the double spending problem.
The people creating this law clearly don’t understand the problem space and what the algorithm solves.
People burning massive amounts coal and gas for fraudulent get-rich-quick pyramid schemes, rug pulls, pump-and-dump schemes, money laundering, fraud, ransomeware, ugly ape jpegs, insider trading, getting around international sanctions in response to unprovoked military attacks and war crimes against humanity, and other criminal enterprises clearly don't understand (or care about) the problem space of climate change, and what lowering carbon emission and regulating crime and fraud solve.
To the second point, that sounds like a failure of the government to provide clean energy. In Los Angeles, we get 16% of our energy from coal and 28% from natural gas. I do not blame Bitcoin miners for this. It is a failure of the government to meet the energy needs of its people with clean sources.
Write legislation that mandates building new nuclear power plants or wind farms off the coast.
And governments can do multiple things at once to solve problems. The fact that they could build more nuclear power plants and wind farms doesn't mean they shouldn't also regulate burning coal to defraud people, commit crimes, and get around banking regulation and international sanctions.
Instead of electric vehicle tax credits, which cost the government in question an increasing amount of money as more people use them, you could apply a similar force with an ICE tax on purchasing new ICE vehicles, which raises a decreasing amount of revenue as people stop buying ICEs in response.
I’m not saying to stop all innovation, but crypto is 5+ orders of magnitude more energy inefficient, and it’s killer apps so far have been asset speculation, untaxed remittances, and cyber crime. Governments have no interest in those innovations at all.
So the thing with crypto: yeah sure there's bad crap on the margins, but the core of crypto is a completely new, faster and more flexible way to handle money, value, ownership and control. I liken it to "programmable money" but even that's too simplistic. With programmable real estate, the line between rental and ownership can blur, softening the risk and lability for owners, and creating more responsibility and upside for renters. A Bored Ape is a club membership and flexible ownership in a rapidly expanding brand that earns licensing fees: the folks at Disney are paying close attention. A $1+mm apartment is worth $1mm because people say it is and because zoning limits supply, not because the sum of the wood and metal adds up to $1mm.
Today, we spend enormous time/energy/etc on nonsense that should be one line of code, from incorporating companies to paying taxes. As crypto continues to mature and weave itself into business systems, these processes become lines of code that execute while we conduct business. You spin up a company with complex ownership, conduct the transaction, send money to and from the parties (incl government) and year it all down - in seconds. Today, you need weeks and lawyers, accountants, notaries, etc. It's insane.
As for the environment, we can't save our way to success: the solution is either geoengineering or murdering billions (plural) of people and slowing the rest from breeding. I'm hopeful for geoengineering.
Anyway, we can raise our fists to the sky, but the next generation is going to demand 24x7x365 business and banking, have taxes woven into transactions, sophisticated fractional ownership, etc.
I've seen a lot of unusual tech and trends win when they "shouldn't." I've seen "first they ignore you, then they fight you, then you win" over and over and over.
I don't personally care if crypto wins or loses or if today's crypto goes to infinity or zero, and I especially don't care if greedy speculators lose their life savings after everybody told them so.
What's interesting to me are novel ways for people to communicate, transact, store and share things.
I'd like it if the people who voluntarily wanted to slow down their own breeding were able to do that freely and easily, without it being expensive or scorned, and without being thrown into jail along with anyone who helped them, like their Uber driver.
https://www.newsweek.com/texas-uber-drivers-could-sued-10000...
“Proof of work” and “proof of stake” are the two major consensus mechanisms cryptocurrencies use to verify new transactions, add them to the blockchain, and create new tokens.
https://www.coinbase.com/learn/crypto-basics/what-is-proof-o...
I would prefer to quote Satoshi Nakamoto or Dr Adam Back on the subject.
Brian Armstrong is in the business of selling altcoins, he can sell Bitcoin only once, but new altcoins can be created every day.
He might even be able to sell the same sats multiple times too, without having those sats for settlement.
Get your coin off the exchange!