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I want to see similar tables for Google products.

Me too. But it will be 397 pages long and most of us still can't stop using it because we live in a society.

And also if you stop using it you need to [buy an apple product/root your phone(and then your bank apps don't work)/stop using phones altogether(which doesn't go well pretty much anywhere[•])]. So there's really only the option to give up your privacy to either google or apple.

[•] I personally lasted two months without a phone once (2016 Japan), since 80% of services would outright refuse you if you didn't have one, while the rest would pester and harrass you extensively before finally giving in.

I use an Android phone without a Google account, and only F-Droid apps. It's possible.

Are you able to use any banking apps? I stopped rooting some time back when that became normal for financial apps, and the ability to monitor/manage account balance from anywhere was hard to give up.

Almost every bank I've seen still allows web based logins.

Generally with much reduced functionality compared to a full app. Can't mobile deposit from the web, and couldn't use a one-time access method to use my bank's ATM without my card (which did only occur once, but it was damn convenient).

Also, one of my banking institutions is a small credit union whose website does not work well on mobile, but has a well functioning android and iOS app.

For my bank I can only use their android/ios 2-factor app or their own physical authenticator, which I also have, but I found out the hard way that it's vulnerable to rain when in a pocket of a backpack. It is impossible to do anything without the 2nd factor auth of course.

I had to switch bank because the only 2FA they had was Android/iOS. No physical authenticator, no SMS, no nothing.

Here basically every bank now requires an app for 2 factor. Even the government is going there.

The point is that Google is holding this open source app up to a higher standard than its own email app.

Is it? Google would have been fine if FairEmail presented the same data privacy disclosures that its apps and all other apps on the Play Store present. The problem seems to be that the standard data privacy disclosures are too vague (just what data is collected and not what the data is used for), which presents FairEmail in a bad light because it looks no better than alternatives. FairEmail went beyond the standard disclosures in order to explain why it is not so bad.

Play data safety [1] should technically do that to a degree, but it's far too generic IMO.

[1] https://blog.google/products/google-play/data-safety/

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