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I use Brainfuck-IDE for my personal projects. It has a great Azure theme that's really easy on the eyes. [1]

When I'm traveling, I use an online IDE, bf-ide. This is great for experimental coding, where there is no IP I need to protect. It is heads and shoulders above all other editors and IDEs - for online or where I need to think on my feet anyway. This really is a superb choice for those times when I'm presenting at a conference, and I really want to demonstrate some code that anyone can try right then. No installation is necessary for Brainfuck here!

WIth bf-ide, I don't even care if there is a web disclosure or if my source code gets leaked. The crooks won't understand it anyway. bf-ide is so intuitive to point-and-click when I want to perform a braindump and execute! [2] [3]

For Mission-Critical and Enterprise Development, absolutely everyone uses Brainfuck Studio. It's great for UML diagrams of the Brain Factory-Factory-Implementation-Factory-Maker-Owner model test code. Then you follow the workflow defined by the team leader who just left for Oracle, and the application should probably get built without too many issues. [4] [5]

And, I'm going to install BrainIDE right now. I'm a BrainFuck aficionado, and I work at a Brainfuck shop, so any tooling advantage I can think of or that someone invents with the sweat of their brow is A-OK in my book!

[1] https://github.com/rdbende/Brainfuck-IDE

[2] https://github.com/kvbc/bf-ide

[3] https://kvbc.github.io/bf-ide/

[4] https://github.com/prat-man/Brainfuck-Studio

[5] https://brainfuck.pratanumandal.in/

I've tried rdbende's IDE and I agree with your comment. I'll be working in themes for the upcoming updates as I think it might be an useful addition.

Thanks! I just cloned your IDE!

Edit: Awesome! Thank you for this.

>I use Brainfuck-IDE for my personal projects. ... >I don't even care if there is a web disclosure or if my source code gets leaked. The crooks won't understand it anyway

>and I work at a Brainfuck shop

I have a hard time believing this, aside from the keeping code safe from crooks (which surely some crooks stealing source code must recognize Brainfuck) what are the benefits of the language?

I mean every language has some benefits its users can point to? What are BrainFuck's benefits?)

> I mean every language has some benefits its users can point to? What are BrainFuck's benefits?)

I understand, because I also had initially thought that BrainFuck has no practical benefits, just from seeing the syntax. However, when I started a particular sales concern a few years back, I hired one rockstar 1% coder who sold me on the benefits of using BrainFuck to quickly take our product to market.

Since that time, I've been sold on the utility, brevity, and consistency that is BrainFuck. The language is Turing Complete. Literally any program that can be written in a different language can be expressed in what is one of the most modern languages around. Plus, it's far more legible than Perl, even with PerlDoc.

By our use of BrainFuck we were able to take our first iteration to market within a week. The sad part is that we had wasted the prior four months working out frameworks, build systems, diagrams, user reports, charts, iterations, tests, scaffolding, etc. All we needed was this little beauty of a language that for some amazing reason is called BrainFuck. It should be called PolishedJewel.

So, the benefits. PJ (PolishedJewel) is Turing Complete. With a little bit of practice it is EASY to write full applications - not toy programs but solutions. PJ is a common language that all of us now speak on our teams. Even our marketing department speaks BrainFuck. They have even contributed to the core open source implementation of the language. PJ has gone from a measly compiler of a few hundred bytes to the proud 22 Gigs that it is today. The feature set is incredible. For virtually no work, I can write a functioning, functional function that monolithically is a mountain of MVP, sold to the customer-base in a matter of days.

We fired all the architects, and every one of us now uses PJ in the proven market-oriented style of cowboy-coding.

It just works.

Hahahaha how are people thinking you’re serious!

You should try BrainFuck. It really is a game-changer that can revolutionize development.

Taking this a bit too seriously, Brainfuck is actually good for some things - I don't know another general purpose language in which cat or printing out the list of ASCII characters are shorter non-empty programs. Also, Brainfuck compilers often emit code that can process input as characters are received (not waiting for a newline) which can be awkward to do in some other languages (Java might not allow this at all in the name of being cross platform).

> Java might not allow this at all in the name of being cross platform

Seriously, that's my major iteration with Java.

It's a joke. Brainfuck has extremely bad performance.

BrainFuck may not have bare-metal performance, but it is absolutely the fastest to market.

Are you sure? :)

https://people.csail.mit.edu/wjun/papers/sigtbd16.pdf

I stand corrected!

Ok I figured, but it seemed more deadpan than usual so I was unsure.

You win. Perhaps forever.

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